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Woods · 05-28-2005

I think we're going to need another off-season and draft similar to this one (assuming this draft turns out to be as good as advertised) to challenge the Eagles for the NFC East title.

The good news is once we accomplish that, we'll also be a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

From what I can tell, assuming we're running the 3-4, on defense we need a big NT for depth, one more big OLB (according to BP), and a FS.

On offense, it's difficult to say, but we definitely need to develop a young WR with the potential to be a number 1 WR down the road, and maybe a RT. That said, I'm hoping Pettiti or Vollers are adequate down the line.

Finally, that brings us back to the QB position. Is Henson going to be all that in a year or two? Let's hope so. I'm really looking forward to seeing him this pre-season.

AJM1613 · 05-28-2005

I would still like to know (from one of the posters who think the Cowboys have a better team), how you have the better team.

blindzebra · 05-28-2005

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Originally Posted by JackMagist

Just agree Mikey...It's true.

Does anyone ever look at the actual stats?

Under Parcells Bledsoe's best year was 96 with an 83.7 rating.

An average year under Parcells was:

ATT 595 - COM 328 - % 55.1 - yards 3661 - YPA 6.15 - TDs 20 - INTs 18

Hardly All Pro numbers.

blindzebra · 05-28-2005

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Originally Posted by AJM1613

I would still like to know (from one of the posters who think the Cowboys have a better team), how you have the better team.

Because this is a Cowboys forum.

You want to hear gushing over your team go to YOUR forum, and stop trolling.

Jersey · 05-28-2005

Simple,
QB-Draw neither are that great. (if YOU are honest you'll agree)
OL-Cowboys
TE's-Cowboys
RB's-Cowboys
WR's-Draw (you have one, we have several)
Defense-Draw(if anyone plays an average FS for us, the advantage goes way to us)
Kicking- (Phila)
Coaching-Draw (as a whole group)

Always know that your team was not that good to begin with. Don't further embarass yourself by thinking thay are.

AJM1613 · 05-28-2005

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

Because this is a Cowboys forum.

You want to here gushing over your team go to YOUR forum, and stop trolling.

I'm not looking for "gushing"...I'm looking for reasoning...

AJM1613 · 05-28-2005

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Originally Posted by Jersey

Always know that your team was not that good to begin with. Don't further embarass yourself by thinking thay are.

Thay're so bad. I'm sorry.

Jersey · 05-28-2005

Don't be sorry, I had a little mcnabb there. You know, the pressure was on and I threw an ankle ball.

**jobberone** · 05-28-2005

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Originally Posted by Jersey

Simple,
QB-Draw neither are that great. (if YOU are honest you'll agree)
OL-Cowboys
TE's-Cowboys
RB's-Cowboys
WR's-Draw (you have one, we have several)
Defense-Draw(if anyone plays an average FS for us, the advantage goes way to us)
Kicking- (Phila)
Coaching-Draw (as a whole group)

Always know that your team was not that good to begin with. Don't further embarass yourself by thinking thay are.

Well obviously u r a Cowboys fan.

I think we could be very good esp at the end of the year if everything comes together. At that point we could push the Eagles IMO.

I'm not sure how the Eagles are going to do this year though. Part of me sees a very good QB and the complement to be near the top of the heap.

What I would be concerned about is a four year run is generally the end of the line. I don't know if that still is applicable though. It will be interesting to see how the Pats and the Eaglets do this year.

We have potential answers at most spots. Some will be answered and some won't. How many aren't will determine our fate along with injuries and surprise let downs and players coming from nowhere or blooming.

We just have too many ifs to put us near the top of the heap but it is possible for us to make a run. We should go 7-9 to 11-5 and hope to split with the Eagles. To beat them out of the top spot is a long shot.

It would be a mistake to take the Skins and Giants for granted as well. I do think we should on paper be a better team than them though.

AsthmaField · 05-28-2005

Lol.

AJM... Where do you think the Eagles are better than the Cowboys? Clearly they are in some spots... but I'd be curious to know where, position-by-position, you think the Eagles are better.

You always are reasonable (for an Eagles fan), so I'm interested in what you think.

Here's a given:

QB: McNabb is better than Bledsoe
Edge: Eagles

JackMagist · 05-28-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Does anyone ever look at the actual stats?

Under Parcells Bledsoe's best year was 96 with an 83.7 rating.

An average year under Parcells was:

ATT 595 - COM 328 - % 55.1 - yards 3661 - YPA 6.15 - TDs 20 - INTs 18

Hardly All Pro numbers.

Not really. Stats only tell part of the story. You can't tell from stats that McNabb has ahd the same HC for years whereas Bledsoe has been through more HCs than Liz Taylor has husbands. He has had to work with different coaching staffs almost yearly. I go back to when he was with a HC who knew how to use him. A HC that he is back together with now.

As for McNabb he is an ok QB but he has had stability at the coaching positions and system for years and he has had the luxury of being on the best team in a weak division in a weak conference. He has a good arm and can get you critical yards when you need them with the run, but he chokes in the big games and there is no denying that. So that leaves me pretty much unimpressed with him.

blindzebra · 05-28-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jersey

Simple,
QB-Draw neither are that great. (if YOU are honest you'll agree)
OL-Cowboys
TE's-Cowboys
RB's-Cowboys
WR's-Draw (you have one, we have several)
Defense-Draw(if anyone plays an average FS for us, the advantage goes way to us)
Kicking- (Phila)
Coaching-Draw (as a whole group)

Always know that your team was not that good to begin with. Don't further embarass yourself by thinking thay are.

Come on.

QB-Philly and that is with McNabb's choke jobs.

RB-Draw, Westbrook is a very dangerous player and we have the potential to be better.

WR-Dallas, they have one who is a cancer, we have 3 pretty solid ones. We don't have one as good as TO, but they have nobody else close to our top 3.

TE-Dallas

OL-Draw, we have the potential to take over here.

Defense-Philly, we have too many changes and rookies.

Special teams-Philly

Coaching/FO-Philly until we prove otherwise.

AJM1613 · 05-28-2005

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Originally Posted by AsthmaField

Lol.

AJM... Where do you think the Eagles are better than the Cowboys? Clearly they are in some spots... but I'd be curious to know where, position-by-position, you think the Eagles are better.

Tight end, strong safety, left cornerback, nickelback, left guard, center, left wide receiver, slot receiver, Ferguson over Walker, Glover over Simon.

And Rivera may be better than Andrews, but I'll take my chances with the kid.

blindzebra · 05-28-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackMagist

Not really. Stats only tell part of the story. You can't tell from stats that McNabb has ahd the same HC for years whereas Bledsoe has been through more HCs than Liz Taylor has husbands. He has had to work with different coaching staffs almost yearly. I go back to when he was with a HC who knew how to use him. A HC that he is back together with now.

As for McNabb he is an ok QB but he has had stability at the coaching positions and system for years and he has had the luxury of being on the best team in a weak division in a weak conference. He has a good arm and can get you critical yards when you need them with the run, but he chokes in the big games and there is no denying that. So that leaves me pretty much unimpressed with him.

Jack those are his stats with Parcells. As Bill says, "You are what you are."

FYI, he had his best year the year after Parcells left.

Bledsoe is an average NFL QB, who has had a couple of above average to good years.

McNabb has been putting up consistent numbers, got his team to 4 NFC championship games and a Super Bowl.

They are not even in the same zip code, even if McNabb chokes in the big ones.

JackMagist · 05-28-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Jack those are his stats with Parcells. As Bill says, "You are what you are."

FYI, he had his best year the year after Parcells left.

Bledsoe is an average NFL QB, who has had a couple of above average to good years.

McNabb has been putting up consistent numbers, got his team to 4 NFC championship games and a Super Bowl.

They are not even in the same zip code, even if McNabb chokes in the big ones.

Yeah I guess you are right...just any old QB can get into the top 10 all time in passing