Hunter Eager To Play CB; Will Play Safety If Needed

[KDWilliams85]

davidyee

Remind me again as to why Hunter is the goat? Oh, I remember now. He has severe character issues stemming from play or lack thereof. Regardless of injury or talent, he is still a cornerback. A young one at that. He has time to turn his career around in Dallas and be that CB that he was drafted to be.

Haste to play him at a position he clearly doesn't won't give potential or guarantee any type of success. Yet you all seem to think it will.

As for his contract, his contract guarantees him having a spot on the team. He gets a nifty severance package if he has that spot taken away. Parcells won't play him as a FS until it's necessary. It's rather presumptuous to claim that he's going to play it any way you look at it. Plus, you believe that he lacks the size against the incumbents. Did you stop to consider that he may not match well as a FS either? He's still the same old Pete Hunter if he's against Steve Smith or Randy Moss. Him being a FS doesn't make him bigger or stronger.

His placement at the depth is pretty much set. Glenn, Newman, and Henry have been the designated starters and nickel back. Hunter has no motivation or opportunity to gain the position he seeks. Parcells has pretty much named his starters and Hunter so happens to be none of them.

Professionalism... that's you, my friend. As most of the board would agree, Hunter has no such attribute. Bummer for him, huh? I guess he's a problem in the locker room for being somewhat arrogant, brazen, and at the same time ambitious.

Hunter is far from a failure. He's been on a squad for three years. That's quite a long time for someone who was drafted in the later rounds and hasn't impressed the staff. Give him some credit. There are FA's out there who would love to be in his place. So what he hasn't lived up to expectations. He's obviously performed well enough (with the exception of his injury) to remain on a squad. Failure, I think not.

This is the only time he's spoken out. He's infuriated because the Cowboys wants something out of him that he's not ready to give. That doesn't make him a selfish player. That doesn't make him a headcase. Him holding out of camp or another AB incident would make him as such. He's just spoken out about the situation. He hasn't acted on it yet.

It's great that you present a "natural" flow of ambition. People are happy to make a squad period. It's when people who think their mouth is their way of talking (Terrell Owens, Randy Moss) gets them into their problems. They have skills to back it up but their mouth is what gets them in trouble. Hunter hasn't done that yet. He's not the defensive equivalent to Randy Moss or Terrell Owens.

"Hit the road Jack"... how intolerant. If you think about the guys who hadn't produced a Pro Bowl season after three years for the Cowboys, who would be gone? It takes time... Hunter hasn't had much of it. Who knows what kind of season he would have had if he wouldn't have gotten hurt. He could have came on like a hurricane.

So yeah...

You can deem me an idiot all you want. But, you all are a little bit hasty to play him off. If he were 35 and in this boat, I'd agree with ya.

[KDWilliams85]

I see its ok for Glover to have this attitude but no one else is that how it is. Man atleast be consistant. and don't say Glover has earned it because even if he had he doesn't fit in the 34 and NO he would not beat out Ferggie at NT he doesn't have the size. and if you say well what about the 43 were going to the 34 the 43 will be played sometimes not often. If you want to be completly fair to Glover then you need to trade him to a contender outside our division who runs the 43. If you disagree then you don't give a rats butt about Glover as well your just pulling a NORS....

The irony of this is that Glover was one of those guys who were sitting high and mighty. Now, he's fallen to a guy fighting for a position instead of having one handed to him. He's fallen from grace and he's vying to earn his time.

I do care about Glover. He's a centerpiece for this defense. Doesn't seem like it now because Ferguson has stolen his job.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

davidyee

Remind me again as to why Hunter is the goat? Oh, I remember now. He has severe character issues stemming from play or lack thereof. Regardless of injury or talent, he is still a cornerback. A young one at that. He has time to turn his career around in Dallas and be that CB that he was drafted to be.

Haste to play him at a position he clearly doesn't won't give potential or guarantee any type of success. Yet you all seem to think it will.

[View Full Quote]As for his contract, his contract guarantees him having a spot on the team. He gets a nifty severance package if he has that spot taken away. Parcells won't play him as a FS until it's necessary. It's rather presumptuous to claim that he's going to play it any way you look at it. Plus, you believe that he lacks the size against the incumbents. Did you stop to consider that he may not match well as a FS either? He's still the same old Pete Hunter if he's against Steve Smith or Randy Moss. Him being a FS doesn't make him bigger or stronger.

His placement at the depth is pretty much set. Glenn, Newman, and Henry have been the designated starters and nickel back. Hunter has no motivation or opportunity to gain the position he seeks. Parcells has pretty much named his starters and Hunter so happens to be none of them.

Professionalism... that's you, my friend. As most of the board would agree, Hunter has no such attribute. Bummer for him, huh? I guess he's a problem in the locker room for being somewhat arrogant, brazen, and at the same time ambitious.

Hunter is far from a failure. He's been on a squad for three years. That's quite a long time for someone who was drafted in the later rounds and hasn't impressed the staff. Give him some credit. There are FA's out there who would love to be in his place. So what he hasn't lived up to expectations. He's obviously performed well enough (with the exception of his injury) to remain on a squad. Failure, I think not.

This is the only time he's spoken out. He's infuriated because the Cowboys wants something out of him that he's not ready to give. That doesn't make him a selfish player. That doesn't make him a headcase. Him holding out of camp or another AB incident would make him as such. He's just spoken out about the situation. He hasn't acted on it yet.

It's great that you present a "natural" flow of ambition. People are happy to make a squad period. It's when people who think their mouth is their way of talking (Terrell Owens, Randy Moss) gets them into their problems. They have skills to back it up but their mouth is what gets them in trouble. Hunter hasn't done that yet. He's not the defensive equivalent to Randy Moss or Terrell Owens.

"Hit the road Jack"... how intolerant. If you think about the guys who hadn't produced a Pro Bowl season after three years for the Cowboys, who would be gone? It takes time... Hunter hasn't had much of it. Who knows what kind of season he would have had if he wouldn't have gotten hurt. He could have came on like a hurricane.

So yeah...

You can deem me an idiot all you want. But, you all are a little bit hasty to play him off. If he were 35 and in this boat, I'd agree with ya.

I'm not sure why you feel everyone has to embrace Hunter the same way you do. Hunter stuck his foot in his mouth a bit this off season. He wanted to be traded. That alone will get under most fan's skin. He at first rejected the idea of playing FS. He seems to be coming around to the idea, but is taking a slow boat to get there.

He has no one to blame but himself. Apparently he thinks higher of his abilites than the team does. That's fine and I approve of that to a degree, but don't become a distraction while doing it. For comparison he is the defensive version of Freddie Mitchell right now. He is someone who thinks he is all that and a bag of chips.

If he was as good as he thinks he is we would not have gone out to improve CB as much as we did. This is not Deion coming back from turf toe. This is a guy who was a project. He could at least be realistic about his chances and opportunities.

He's foolish not to jump all over the move to FS. First of all he'll get more playing time there barring injury. The idea really is to get on the field as much as possible. There are 3 guys ahead of him on the depth chart because they have more talent. Sometimes that's just a fact of life.

The same cannot be said about FS where there is a glaring vacancy. His failure to recognize that makes me wonder if his head is in the game.

Look at La'Roi Glover. He still wants to be the starter but he's willing to do whatever it takes for the team to get better. He realizes he's going to be on the sidelines some and he is not making waves about it. That despite being the unquestioned best player on the defense for the last couple of years. Only Roy Williams and Dat Nguyen of 2003 come close to the excellence he has given.

In other words, he actually has some skins on the wall and room to gripe. Instead he is coaching the rookies and doing his job.

When you compare that to a guy who at first refused to change positions and at one time wanted to be traded it paints Hunter in a somewhat dubious role. Trust me when I say he'll be lucky to even have a job with the Cowboys in 2005. You don't put black marks for poor attitude in the Coach's ledger and overcome it unless you are really special.

Project players have little bargaining room. If he doesn't shine between now and the cutdown to 53 he's probably looking for work. His contract won't change that a bit. He better hope some of the other CBs are hurt or don't perform. I never bank on that.

Silly move on his part and if it bites him in the backside he has no one to blame but himself.

[jksmith269]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

The irony of this is that Glover was one of those guys who were sitting high and mighty. Now, he's fallen to a guy fighting for a position instead of having one handed to him. He's fallen from grace and he's vying to earn his time.

I do care about Glover. He's a centerpiece for this defense. Doesn't seem like it now because Ferguson has stolen his job.

Did you miss the rest of what I wrote? Why only respond to that? Could it be that you finally see the light? I doubt it but hey its your opinion and its cool.

[KDWilliams85]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I'm not sure why you feel everyone has to embrace Hunter the same way you do. Hunter stuck his foot in his mouth a bit this off season. He wanted to be traded. That alone will get under most fan's skin. He at first rejected the idea of playing FS. He seems to be coming around to the idea, but is taking a slow boat to get there.

Would you take the slow route to a place that you don't wanna go but will eventually have to consider?

He has no one to blame but himself. Apparently he thinks higher of his abilites than the team does. That's fine and I approve of that to a degree, but don't become a distraction while doing it. For comparison he is the defensive version of Freddie Mitchell right now. He is someone who thinks he is all that and a bag of chips.

That's the nature of ambition. You have to be a little arrogant to get ahead. Unfortunately, his mouth is writing checks his talent can't cash.

If he was as good as he thinks he is we would not have gone out to improve CB as much as we did. This is not Deion coming back from turf toe. This is a guy who was a project. He could at least be realistic about his chances and opportunities.

While reasonable, it's a little bit early to consider him a bust. He is a project. He just hasn't had the right circumstances that would lift him higher. Signing Henry and Glenn didn't exactly boost his confidence.

He's foolish not to jump all over the move to FS. First of all he'll get more playing time there barring injury. The idea really is to get on the field as much as possible. There are 3 guys ahead of him on the depth chart because they have more talent. Sometimes that's just a fact of life.

The last thing he is is foolish... well... concerning this anyway. The fact of life you speak of is that you don't always get your way. That works both ways. You're making a fit of it because Parcells isn't getting his way in the manner you think he should. You think Hunter should just bow down and be his lap cat.

The same cannot be said about FS where there is a glaring vacancy. His failure to recognize that makes me wonder if his head is in the game.

Agreed. But why deem him out of his game because he doesn't want to play FS? It'd be more accurate to assume that if he didn't want to play football altogether.

Look at La'Roi Glover. He still wants to be the starter but he's willing to do whatever it takes for the team to get better. He realizes he's going to be on the sidelines some and he is not making waves about it. That despite being the unquestioned best player on the defense for the last couple of years. Only Roy Williams and Dat Nguyen of 2003 come close to the excellence he has given.

His predicament stems from his lack of size. Not lack of talent. It's an unfortunate circumstance for him but it's something he can do something about. He could stack on 30 pounds and be in the hunt. Parcells probably wouldn't let him do that. So, he's stuck in the same boat Hunter is. Being knocked off his horse and left with very few options to get back on it.

In other words, he actually has some skins on the wall and room to gripe. Instead he is coaching the rookies and doing his job.

Character issue. Nothing more.

When you compare that to a guy who at first refused to change positions and at one time wanted to be traded it paints Hunter in a somewhat dubious role. Trust me when I say he'll be lucky to even have a job with the Cowboys in 2005. You don't put black marks for poor attitude in the Coach's ledger and overcome it unless you are really special.

That's the pyramid of talent. The little guy gets stepped on to support the weight of those above him. That alone makes him expendable should the opportunity arise.

Project players have little bargaining room. If he doesn't shine between now and the cutdown to 53 he's probably looking for work. His contract won't change that a bit. He better hope some of the other CBs are hurt or don't perform. I never bank on that.

That's the first piece of fairness you've posted. You had the clairvoyance to foresee injury. You weren't so quick to rule him out just because he's being a pain in the arse right now.

Silly move on his part and if it bites him in the backside he has no one to blame but himself.

The blame doesn't lie entirely on himself but he does take some jolt. Bringing in guys to threaten his position doesn't exactly make Hunter look better. If he gets let loose, he gets let loose. But it wouldn't be because of a lack of talent. If that were the case, he would have been cut soon after he was signed.

[KDWilliams85]

Originally Posted by jksmith269

Did you miss the rest of what I wrote? Why only respond to that? Could it be that you finally see the light? I doubt it but hey its your opinion and its cool.

That was just what I thought was relevant. Plus, it covered all of your paragraphs in a short, condensed little phrase.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Would you take the slow route to a place that you don't wanna go but will eventually have to consider?



That's the nature of ambition. You have to be a little arrogant to get ahead. Unfortunately, his mouth is writing checks his talent can't cash.



While reasonable, it's a little bit early to consider him a bust. He is a project. He just hasn't had the right circumstances that would lift him higher. Signing Henry and Glenn didn't exactly boost his confidence.



The last thing he is is foolish... well... concerning this anyway. The fact of life you speak of is that you don't always get your way. That works both ways. You're making a fit of it because Parcells isn't getting his way in the manner you think he should. You think Hunter should just bow down and be his lap cat.



[View Full Quote]Agreed. But why deem him out of his game because he doesn't want to play FS? It'd be more accurate to assume that if he didn't want to play football altogether.



His predicament stems from his lack of size. Not lack of talent. It's an unfortunate circumstance for him but it's something he can do something about. He could stack on 30 pounds and be in the hunt. Parcells probably wouldn't let him do that. So, he's stuck in the same boat Hunter is. Being knocked off his horse and left with very few options to get back on it.



Character issue. Nothing more.



That's the pyramid of talent. The little guy gets stepped on to support the weight of those above him. That alone makes him expendable should the opportunity arise.



That's the first piece of fairness you've posted. You had the clairvoyance to foresee injury. You weren't so quick to rule him out just because he's being a pain in the arse right now.



The blame doesn't lie entirely on himself but he does take some jolt. Bringing in guys to threaten his position doesn't exactly make Hunter look better. If he gets let loose, he gets let loose. But it wouldn't be because of a lack of talent. If that were the case, he would have been cut soon after he was signed.

You just proved my whole point. Thank you.

[KDWilliams85]

Originally Posted by Hostile

You just proved my whole point. Thank you.

Your point was that Hunter should be on the team in the capacity you think is best. The unavoidable truth (at least for now) is that he is where he wants to be. Whether or not you think he should be there is irrelevant.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Your point was that Hunter should be on the team in the capacity you think is best. The unavoidable truth (at least for now) is that he is where he wants to be. Whether or not you think he should be there is irrelevant.

No, that wasn't my point at all. That is your wrong interpretation of it.

[jksmith269]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

That was just what I thought was relevant. Plus, it covered all of your paragraphs in a short, condensed little phrase.

No you know you were wrong.

Just incase you forgot the rest....it appears to me you think one has to do whats best for the team and the other doesn't who is the coach so if your right in you assumption of BP then why should hunter care what he thinks it won't matter anyway. according to what you said. OWNED

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Don't confuse desire with egocentricity. He wants to play but it's safe to say that he has his career at heart and not what the team wants of him.

Dude is playing on a one year contract do you blame him? I don't if I were in his shoes I'd be telling the coach I'll play C if you need me to. And it works both ways I'd hope you could see that but for some reason you can't and you called me Blind Atleast I listen to your $2 worded argument and took in what you said even if I need a dictionary while doing it. (Just in case you can't tell that was a joke)

Originally Posted by blind

Won't happen. He won't beat out anyone of the three contenders because he won't ever be given the chance to do so. They are the named starters. Competition at the position does not necessarily entail a competition to win the starting job. As for the FS job, he said he'd play on a need basis only. So... pretty much if Roy goes down.

So your to tell me that if BP saw something out of him he wouldn't even give him a chance? I think your nuts hell yeah he would if he didn't he'd be doing the same thing your accusing Ralphie of doing. He wouldn't be doing whats best for the team.

[KDWilliams85]

Originally Posted by Hostile

No, that wasn't my point at all. That is your wrong interpretation of it.

Then enlighten me. What is your point? If it has anything to do with Hunter being a headcase and not doing what he's asked of him, my interpretation is dead on.

If it's about how he's not good enough to play, my interpretation is dead on.

If it's about how he's a moo-cow, then I'm wrong.

[KDWilliams85]

Originally Posted by jksmith269

No you know you were wrong.

Just incase you forgot the rest....it appears to me you think one has to do whats best for the team and the other doesn't who is the coach so if your right in you assumption of BP then why should hunter care what he thinks it won't matter anyway. according to what you said. OWNED

You're under the impression that Hunter is doing what's best for the team. All of his signs would seem to suggest that he isn't. So, point nulled.

Dude is playing on a one year contract do you blame him? I don't if I were in his shoes I'd be telling the coach I'll play C if you need me to. And it works both ways I'd hope you could see that but for some reason you can't and you called me Blind Atleast I listen to your $2 worded argument and took in what you said even if I need a dictionary while doing it. (Just in case you can't tell that was a joke)

You went a little far on the center part, but you wanna do what's best for the team. Hunter, as all signs would point, is doing what's best for himself.

So your to tell me that if BP saw something out of him he wouldn't even give him a chance? I think your nuts hell yeah he would if he didn't he'd be doing the same thing your accusing Ralphie of doing. He wouldn't be doing whats best for the team.

Parcells sees a lot of things out of guys that are longshots to make the team. He'd give him a chance but it ultimately depends on his talent. In this case, the #1 and #2 CB positions are locked in. His best chance would be a nickel CB. And I think Aaron Glenn has that one down tight.

As I've mentioned before... Hunter, as it would appear, is doing what's best for him.

[jksmith269]

If hunter is doing whats best for hunter and that helps the team whats the problem? And no the point isn't nulled you took half of the context because you said

You're under the impression that Hunter is doing what's best for the team.

what does it matter if the coach doesn't care? you said "it didn't matter what he showed he wouldn't get the chance to play CB" that is saying that BP wouldn't be doing whats best for the team either so where is the difference in your assumption neither is doing whats best for the team and if the coach isn't then why should the player?

[KDWilliams85]

Originally Posted by jksmith269

If hunter is doing whats best for hunter and that helps the team whats the problem? And no the point isn't nulled you took half of the context because you said what does it matter if the coach doesn't care? you said "it didn't matter what he showed he wouldn't get the chance to play CB" that is saying that BP wouldn't be doing whats best for the team either so where is the difference in your assumption neither is doing whats best for the team and if the coach isn't then why should the player?

Look up to a previous post. What's best for himself is what's best for himself. I won't negate that it will help the team. But that still doesn't change his intentions are focused on himself.

[jksmith269]

Originally Posted by KDWilliams85

Originally Posted by blind
Won't happen. He won't beat out anyone of the three contenders because he won't ever be given the chance to do so. They are the named starters. Competition at the position does not necessarily entail a competition to win the starting job. As for the FS job, he said he'd play on a need basis only. So... pretty much if Roy goes down.

This is exactly what you said "BECAUSE HE WON'T EVER BE GIVEN THE CHANCE" you didn't say anything about Talent and your position about the FS is Flawed becasue your saying he'll only play FS if Roy goes down what does that have to do with anything Roy will be playing SS not FS totally different positions. Your starting to trip your own self up now better slow down smell the roses.