Do the recent incidents with Winslow and Taylor

[mbanx]

What do you do about some guy who has a certain agent you like and trust, then you draft him and he pulls some Shawne Merriman BS. How do you protect yourself against that?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by mbanx

What do you do about some guy who has a certain agent you like and trust, then you draft him and he pulls some Shawne Merriman BS. How do you protect yourself against that?

There are clauses you can write into a contract once you get them signed. Prior to that nothing. To replace the talent, nothing. The Draft is a roll of the dice. Sometimes you roll snake eyes.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by cajuncowboy

I really think that the University of Miami needs to put some kind of program in place to take the hood out of the players.

These guys are just incapable of living in the NFL society the way they are coming out of the U.

There are some exceptions but it just seems that the best trun into thugs and jerks. That's not to say that other colleges don't have their share of these guys but Miami just seems to be a breeding ground for it.

Is Winslow from the hood?

Add Jeremy Shockey to the list of jerks that played at Miami. Every school has them. The jerks at Miami seem to stick out more because of their individual and team success. It feeds their egos. They were jerks before they got there and became bigger ones while there and even bigger once they became 1st rounders in the NFL.

[JackMagist]

I think a candidate for a PhD in Sociology could do a damn good thesis on the culture of the football program at the U, or maybe it would make a good psychology study. At any rate the program needs to be put under close scrutiny by the University's Regents.

There is a decided problem at Miami whether is it due to ignorance or apathy on the part of those running the program I don't know but it is incumbent upon the University Board to protect the reputation of the institution. Something should be done; be it instituting a mandatory counseling program for any athletes who have had run-ins with the law even as juveniles or even for athletes who come from "At Risk" situations growing up.

[Dangerous Dave]

Originally Posted by Sandman52

Two years ago, Miami recruited the #1 LB and a top ten overall player in Willie Williams. They didn't check his background, and he ended being convicted of since serious crimes last year (can't remember what they were, tho).

July 27, 2004
Willie Williams Admitted to Miami
News reports from earlier in the day indicate that the University of Miami has admitted Willie Williams to school. Williams' athletic scholarship had been on hold pending an admissions hearing following his legal problems. Williams received probation and community service from a Broward County judge on July 6. He had been arrested 11 times since 1999.

Miami officials made the following statements:

University President Donna Shalala - "We chose to support the recommendation of the members of our faculty and staff who constituted our admissions group. They brought broad experience in reading complicated admissions applications, which in this case revealed a more accurate picture of a young man than what you have read to date."

Hurricanes Coach Larry Coker - "Just to decline recommendation to admit a player because of what somebody might think nationally, I just don't think that is the right way to handle it."

[lkelly]

Originally Posted by Murph80

Willie Williams was a freshman last year. The U did alot of background work on him and he went in front of the school president to be admitted. All of his crimes were done while he was in HS. I know one of them was actually done during his visit to Florida where he hugged a girl with out her consent. And also let off a fire extinguser at a hotel. Since then Willie has been a great student and citizen at Miami. He suffered a leg injury last year and missed most of the season. Look out for him. He could be the next Ray. Miami did more than a background check with this kid. They took him off the streets and gave him an education. Coach Coker is a class act.

Blind Miami apologist.

[pgreptom]

Sandman

I think you took the argue out of this guys arguement.

I don't see him responding... lol.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by cajuncowboy

These guys are just incapable of living in the NFL society the way they are coming out of the U.

Is it the University's fault they are socially maladjusted?

No.

They are running a profit machine that is true. But as long as they market themselves as that type of program, they are assured of attracting the talented but thug-like.

That is why they have been competitive. If they start to shift gears and go after choir boys, then Florida State and Florida will just get the thugs.

[royhitshard]

Originally Posted by Murph80

Miami just has more players in the league so it makes it seem like their players are always in trouble. Everyone hates a winner and it gets no better than The U of Miami.

Everybody hates a winner? I don't know about that...plus, what has The U done lately as far as winning anything important or even having a chance at something important?

[Ceasaleo88]

I really think u guys are losing focus or just have a bias against the Canes. Ur taking 3 players(Winslow, Taylor, and Shockey) out of how many players that have been taken in the 1st rounds from Miami say the last 5 years. What about Vilma, Wilfork, Moss, Wayne, Reed, and DJ Williams. They r are all from Miami and all r doing fine in the NFL. Really, Winslow's mistake has nothing to do with being "a thug" and everything to do with making a bad decision. I'm a U fan and I remember all too well the perception that followed the program around in the late 80's and early 90's, but they have done a good job of cleaning that up. I think if u really take a look at things, u'll find that there r a lot more schools with more problem kids than Miami.

[TruBlueCowboy]

Originally Posted by Murph80

Miami just has more players in the league so it makes it seem like their players are always in trouble. Everyone hates a winner and it gets no better than The U of Miami.

I agree. There are as many bad apples on other college teams, you just don't hear about them if they don't make it to the NFL.

[SmellsLikeTuna]

Originally Posted by royhitshard

Everybody hates a winner? I don't know about that...plus, what has The U done lately as far as winning anything important or even having a chance at something important?

So, 1 natioanl title in 2001, and having a 34 game winning streak ending on the last game of the 2002 season (only 2 seasons ago) doesn't count for "doing anything lately"?????

Finished #5 (11-2) in 2003 and I believe #11 last year........and those were BAD years!

[MiStar]

The most alarming thing about Miami players is the consistently low Wonderlic scores. If I'm not mistaken, they have the lowest Wonderlic average of draft eligible players of any major program. It's hard to belive that these players can pass legit classes given all the time that they put into athletics.

[royhitshard]

Originally Posted by SmellsLikeTuna

So, 1 natioanl title in 2001, and having a 34 game winning streak ending on the last game of the 2002 season (only 2 seasons ago) doesn't count for "doing anything lately"?????

Finished #5 (11-2) in 2003 and I believe #11 last year........and those were BAD years!

I never said anything about those being bad years. You said that, not me. I was simply pointing out that not everybody hates winners as he put it. I personally don't hate winners. Also, people don't think he is stupid b/c he is from Miami, they think he is stupid due to his actions. So people dogging him has nothing to do with their hate for winners. Miami fans shouldn't take it so personal. I am an OU fan and I lived through the 80's and Switzer. It happens, don't take it so personally.