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playit12 · 06-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

I agree, we're all amateur legal sleuths on here. It's just that if he's convicted, I'm not sure if he'd be able to get off with simple probation.

That statute is pretty clear on agravated assult with a fire arm. All that is needed to be proved is that

A) That there was an "assult" defined as an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

B) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill

So even if Taylor just pulled out the gun and said anything remotely like "I'll shoot you". He's guilty of agravated assult which carries a Mandatory minimum of 3 years.

The battery charge is related to the second incident where he actually struck the man in the face.

Personally I don't see how this would be that hard to prove. The state may choose to be leniant in what they prosecute. But my guess would be if they choose to prosecute, it won't be too difficult to prove their case.

**WoodysGirl** · 06-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Crown Royal

What the hell are you all talking about? "Getting off?'

First, as I have repeated over and over and over and over and over again - HE HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. A COURT OF HIS PEERS HAS NOT CONVICTED SEAN TAYLOR OF A SINGLE THING REGARDING A GUN. NOT ONCE. How do you 'get off' when you haven't been convicted?

Second - It isn't as if the charges have changed. Not once has the police report, the police spokesman, or any member of the police department come out and said that he ever once fired a shot. Never. The only thing that has made that comment is the media and the people (us) who analyze the situation.

Third - The situation in which Sean Taylor was ALLEGEDLY shot at, thus making him a victim, has absolutely no baring on the other charges. None. So what if the media has called him a victim? He is still being charged with the same thing he was charged with yesterday, 2 days ago, 3 days ago, etc.

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Getting a lil upset, Crown?

The article is pretty clear in that the police believe he was the instigator and that the guys he pulled the gun on, retaliated by taking some shots at him.

I don't think anyone has said he's been convicted of anything. But these are serious charges he's been accused of. Most are assuming that if anything can be proven, this is their take on the type of sentencing he MIGHT get. Also, there are those who don't believe he'll be convicted of anything and if he does, it'll be a slap on the wrist.

I think most here aren't experts on FL law, so nobody knows what could or could not happen when it's all said and done. But suggesting that we're getting all of our opinions from John Grisham books is more than a lil insulting.

Crown Royal · 06-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

Getting a lil upset, Crown?

The article is pretty clear in that the police believe he was the instigator and that the guys he pulled the gun on, retaliated by taking some shots at him.

I don't think anyone has said he's been convicted of anything. But these are serious charges he's been accused of. Most are assuming that if anything can be proven, this is their take on the type of sentencing he MIGHT get. Also, there are those who don't believe he'll be convicted of anything and if he does, it'll be a slap on the wrist.

I think most here aren't experts on FL law, so nobody knows what could or could not happen when it's all said and done. But suggesting that we're getting all of our opinions from John Grisham books is more than a lil insulting.

Yes, I am getting upset. It seems that every other post on the topic is either an opinion that he should see 3-5 years no matter what, and anything less is getting off because he is an athlete. The two posts that I was targeting were the initial 2 responses that claimed he would be cleared because he was an athlete.

I see nothing in the article that shows me any sort of charges will be dropped, and, if he is cleared, I am not prepared to accept that it is because he is an athlete. So what if he is cleared? If so, it is most likely because nothing can be proven, not because of some sort of athlete worship. If anything, prosecutors would LOVE to put him away - imagine something that high - profile on their resumes.

I have no problems with the posts that talk about what he could get, rather those that talk about what he should get.

And regarding the Grisham comment, it was not directed at everyone who has posted in this thread. But those it was directed at, it was meant to be insulting.

1fisher · 06-07-2005

dang crown.............are you related to Taylor or something??

**ABQCOWBOY** · 06-07-2005

Keep in mind, Taylor's father is a chief of police in Florida.

**WoodysGirl** · 06-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Yes, I am getting upset. It seems that every other post on the topic is either an opinion that he should see 3-5 years no matter what, and anything less is getting off because he is an athlete. The two posts that I was targeting were the initial 2 responses that claimed he would be cleared because he was an athlete.

I see nothing in the article that shows me any sort of charges will be dropped, and, if he is cleared, I am not prepared to accept that it is because he is an athlete. So what if he is cleared? If so, it is most likely because nothing can be proven, not because of some sort of athlete worship. If anything, prosecutors would LOVE to put him away - imagine something that high - profile on their resumes.

I have no problems with the posts that talk about what he could get, rather those that talk about what he should get.

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I can respect why you posted what you posted, but I think you should have been a little clearer in who your post was directed towards, even if it was directed at me. Your initial post said You All, meaning everyone in the thread.

Crown Royal · 06-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

I can respect why you posted what you posted, but I think you should have been a little clearer in who your post was directed towards, even if it was directed at me. Your initial post said You All, meaning everyone in the thread.

Sorry - that was vague. It wasn't at you or Hos. I would never want to make you angry. I respect my elders.

speedkilz88 · 06-07-2005

The state attorney's office was not able to confirm whether "10-20-Life" would be applied in Taylor's case. A spokesman said that would be left up to the prosecuting attorney.

It all depends on the prosecutor, he could go easy on him and let him plea to a lesser charge/probation or go for the 10-20-Life which would likely get him three years.

SultanOfSix · 06-07-2005

And Irvin got a five game suspension. Yoda says: "Consistently inconsistent, people are, yes?"

jksmith269 · 06-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Crown Royal

What the hell are you all talking about? "Getting off?'

First, as I have repeated over and over and over and over and over again - HE HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. A COURT OF HIS PEERS HAS NOT CONVICTED SEAN TAYLOR OF A SINGLE THING REGARDING A GUN. NOT ONCE. How do you 'get off' when you haven't been convicted?

Second - It isn't as if the charges have changed. Not once has the police report, the police spokesman, or any member of the police department come out and said that he ever once fired a shot. Never. The only thing that has made that comment is the media and the people (us) who analyze the situation.

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My thing is no one but the people who were there know exactly what happened, and to bash Taylor before knowing the facts is pretty immature.

BTW how many people here would NOT confront the people who stole your ATV'S? I know I would go looking for them and want to beat the crap out of them as well. Again who wouldn't? So why is it so wrong for him to? because he rich and that takes away the need to get even with someone who steels from you? He has more than the rest of us? Not me I have 5 kids I would think I have a lot more to think about than him. So what makes him wanting to get even or Revenge any different than you or me?

SuspectCorner · 06-07-2005

it seems taylor didn't take any shots at somebody's house after all. and apparently he never pulled the trigger at any time. this is good.

but he is still a suspect in an assault case in which he allegedly brandished a weapon. this is bad.

if this is later proven and he is indeed convicted - a minimum three-year sentence could still effectively kill his career. three years away from football is a long time. even for a young man.

i don't enjoy seeing stupidity ruin young lives. even when the youngster in question is a redskin.

we'll see how this plays out.

**WoodysGirl** · 06-07-2005

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Originally Posted by jksmith269

My thing is no one but the people who were there know exactly what happened, and to bash Taylor before knowing the facts is pretty immature.

BTW how many people here would NOT confront the people who stole you ATV'S? I know I would go looking for them and want to beat the crap out of them as well. Again who wouldn't? So why is it so wrong for him to?

I wouldn't. I'd send my cousins...

Seriously, I wouldn't even consider going after somebody. Nowadays you don't know what could happen when you go vigilante. Look at this ST situation, if shots were fired at him, he could've easily been shot or somebody else could have been. I'd rather let the police deal with it. That's their job.

Chocolate Lab · 06-07-2005

I'm scratching my head at the posters rushing to defend Taylor...

Yes, if he didn't do anything like what was reported, he shouldn't be punished. But if he did, he should. How can anyone disagree with that?

And as for his not being convicted implying some kind of innocence... Did O.J. not "get off"? After all, he wasn't convicted, either.

Finally, I heard Leon Simon on Mike Fisher's show yesterday, and he made a good point. He said that not only was Taylor being a hood, but that he was being a very stupid hood. He said that where he came from, if you pointed a gun at someone and were stupid enough to come back later that day and try to beat them up with your fists, you were lucky you didn't get shot when you returned.

Yeagermeister · 06-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Woody'sGirl

I wouldn't. I'd send my cousins...

Seriously, I wouldn't even consider going after somebody. Nowadays you don't know what could happen when you go vigilante. Look at this ST situation, if shots were fired at him, he could've easily been shot or somebody else could have been. I'd rather let the police deal with it. That's their job.

As I have said before....that's what the police get paid for. Going vigilante is a good way to get yourself killed.

SkinsandTerps · 06-07-2005

This is a new wrinkle in this situation.

Taylor stupid as he is, tried to play Vigilante Enforcer instead of initially calling the police. If you know who stole your property call the cops, Idiot.

The thing about the law in Florida, he would have to be brandishing the weapon when he punched the guy.

Otherwise the 10 year minimum doesnt seem to apply.

Florida being tough on laws... please... There is so much crime in Miami it isnt even funny. Police down there are more concerned with putting out another episode of "Cops".

Taylors' father is not the Cheif of police in Miami/Dade. Taylors' Father is the cheif of police in Florida City. Unless the investigation is continuing at this point, it is in the courts hands now.

Even as a Redskins Fan this is extremely stupid.

Yet I would hate to see any person get 10 years in prison for a retaliation punch, regardless of whether it is a rival teams' players/fans or even the common man/woman.

EDIT: It seems unclear at this point to whether or not Taylor was brandishing the weapon when the punch happened. That seems like it will be where the defense will focus. If he didnt have the gun on him when he hit the guy it will be a misdemeanor charge for a guy with no criminal history (DUI doesnt even count since the case was dismissed).