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08-03-2005
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Profootball Prospectus good for Boys
The team at FootballOutsiders.com has just released Profootball Prospectus, their first book giving detailed statistical analysis of all teams along with projections for 05. It's an impressive piece of work and nicely written. Other than KC Joyner's Scientific Football, I'm not aware of anything else like it. And at $13 it's definitely a better buy.
Profootball Prospectus uses a system that tracks the specific conditions under which each play occurs. That way a team/unit/player's performance can be compared to how other teams did in the exact same situation. This is expressed as a Value Over Average (VOA) percentage that is positive for a good offensive performance and negative for a good defensive effort. The system has worked well for them. Last year their predictions were more accurate than any other major sports website or magazine. These results included correctly predicting that the 4-12 Chargers would have one of the top offenses in 2004.
Their 2005 prospectus is high on the Cowboys. The projections break down as follows:
0-4 Wins: 10% probability
5-6 Wins: 15%
7-8 Wins: 23%
9-10 Wins: 24%
11+ Wins: 28%
In other words, a 75% probability that we will win more games than last season and a better than 50% probability that we will make the playoffs. They make us clear favorites to finish second in the division behind the Eagles (who are a lock for the playoffs). Washington is given a 72% chance of winning less than 9 games.
Their analysis of the Boys 2004 defense makes sense. Our run D was 6th in the league for quarters 1-3, and then quite bad in the 4th. This is no doubt due to our lack of rotation. The pass D was uniformly horrible across all quarters. Given our improved depth and secondary, Profootball Outsiders expects our 2005 defense to look much closer to the 2003 version.
On offense there is a surprise. Turns out we weren't really that bad last year, just unlucky. The passing offense was above average on 1st and 2nd down, but terrible on third down. This is a statistical anomaly: the law of averages says we should be equally good (or bad) on all downs, given enough plays. (Remember these averages take into account the specific situations we faced.) Over a 16 game season it is possible to have a bad luck streak on 3rd downs. This turns out to be a strong indicator for a turn-around the next season, and it was the major factor in the Outsiders' prediction of the Chargers offensive performance last year. In other words, even with the same personnel (and injuries), our passing offense should be better this year due simply to better luck.
All in all, this book is a great read. I highly recommend it. Along with KC's Scientific Football, I think Prospectus marks 2005 as a sort of turning point in football analysis.
-Gent
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08-03-2005
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Basically, 50/50 chance that Dallas will be a good team.
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08-03-2005
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Originally Posted by Gent
On offense there is a surprise. Turns out we weren't really that bad last year, just unlucky.
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Not trying to undermine a good post... but this came to mind:
A couple of days ago Parcells was talking about the team last year. He said that there were several games last year that we were close to winning, and the record could have been much different in our favor. Then he said (paraphrasing), "But the team wasn't better than it's record."
"The ball ain't heavy."
-Herschel Walker, when asked if he got tired carrying the ball 30 times per game.
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08-03-2005
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Run-loving Dino
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Very encouraging... Thanks for the post, Gent!
BTW... You aren't Pete, are you?
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08-03-2005
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I love "locks" in the NFL (or anywhere else for that matter).
Like all the teams that make the SB one year and don't make the playoffs the next. They are all usually "locks" to make it at least to the playoffs if not the SB again.
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08-03-2005
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Yeah, I got this book about 2 weeks ago. It's a great read and worth the buy. From the looks of it, it projects the division to go:
Philly
Dallas (playoff team)
New York
Washington
Also projects Julius to gain over 1,500 yards this season.
Rich........
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08-03-2005
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where can this book be purchased in texas?
"Everybody loves or hates the Cowboys. It's a compliment to the team that when you talk about the Cowboys, there is no neutral corner. You love or hate them."
John Madden
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08-03-2005
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Illegitimi non carborundum
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Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich
Yeah, I got this book about 2 weeks ago. It's a great read and worth the buy. From the looks of it, it projects the division to go:
Philly
Dallas (playoff team)
New York
Washington
Also projects Julius to gain over 1,500 yards this season.
Rich........
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Peter King predicts Julius to gain over 1,500 yards this season too, in SI's fantasy football preview.

mahalo nui loa, Juke
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08-03-2005
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The Instant Classic
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Originally Posted by Sifillest
where can this book be purchased in texas?
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I'm pretty sure books are illegal in Texas.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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08-03-2005
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THE BIG DOG
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Originally Posted by Wimbo
A couple of days ago Parcells was talking about the team last year. He said that there were several games last year that we were close to winning, and the record could have been much different in our favor.
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Yea well there were a few games last year we were close to losing as well.
This is a team who is battling several major injuries to
key players including Pro Bowl talents like Lee, Austin, Jenkins, Murray,
Carter and Ratliff. Other key starters missing include Costa, Smith, Church and
Coleman. That is 11 key players - that's half the starting lineup. Yet we still went 8-8.
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08-03-2005
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Originally Posted by Gent
Their analysis of the Boys 2004 defense makes sense. Our run D was 6th in the league for quarters 1-3, and then quite bad in the 4th. This is no doubt due to our lack of rotation. The pass D was uniformly horrible across all quarters. Given our improved depth and secondary, Profootball Outsiders expects our 2005 defense to look much closer to the 2003 version.
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Definately. In fact, I think our defense will be better in a football sense than our D was in 2003. We may not be statistically #1 again, but the main difference is we appear to have playmakers now. Newman is going to turn some heads, Roy will play where he belongs and makes plays, and I really see Ware doing what we drafted him too. That already makes us better.
See Dis! I got boalls! Fahgettaboutit!
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08-04-2005
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Originally Posted by big dog cowboy
Yea well there were a few games last year we were close to losing as well.
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Very true - and there was more than one very poorly coached game as well.
 There is no formula for success except an unconditional acceptance of life and what it brings.
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08-04-2005
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THE BIG DOG
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Originally Posted by Sarge
Very true - and there was more than one very poorly coached game as well.
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As much as anything, that was just down right disappointing last year.
This is a team who is battling several major injuries to
key players including Pro Bowl talents like Lee, Austin, Jenkins, Murray,
Carter and Ratliff. Other key starters missing include Costa, Smith, Church and
Coleman. That is 11 key players - that's half the starting lineup. Yet we still went 8-8.
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08-04-2005
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Thanks Gent. Looks interesting. I'll probably order it today.
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08-04-2005
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Originally Posted by Idgit
I'm pretty sure books are illegal in Texas.
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We have stopped our annual book burning festivals...well, because we ran out of them...LOL
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