Michael Irvin Interview on TXCN: Pete Hunter, other things..(From another board)

[Maikeru-sama]

Originally Posted by jay cee

How does a post about a former player's opinion on the cornerbacks become another Carter thread?

Tell me about it.

TXCN doesn't advertise all that much, so if I dont remember to watch it, I will tend to miss it.

I have no choice but to trust Mike Irvin at this point because I cannot see for myself. I think most Receivers could determine if a Corner is any good or not.

I forgot the person in this thread who said "Sometimes the truth hurt", but that is how I feel. Let's just hope Mike is wrong in his assessment. Remember, we have 2 1st round picks, so that guy, if indeed we snatch a corner out of neccessity should be expected to play right away.

I have more curious to see what he had to say about the Offensive and Defensive Line play. No offense to Hunter but, I just have this feeling that one of those 1st round picks will be on a corner, I just do.

Should be fun to watch!!!



- Mike G.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

Brain - the implication is that Irvin may not see something in Hunter because Irvin was a WR and Hunter a DB. Bluefin stated this.

So my comment is simple.

If Irvin can be biased toward the offense, doesn't it stand to reason his support of Carter would also have a smattering of bias as well?

I just believe there is a double standard here. Not that Irvin has it. But the poster is using Irvin's position as an excuse for Hunter. Meaning he doesn't take what Irvin is saying literally since Irvin was a former offensive player.

Why does the knife cut one way for Hunter yet the other way for Carter in his opinion?

And you have never done this with something Bill has said....or Jerry has said?

Point is I do not know too many posters that will not use what someone says to their advantage in an argument...or say they might be wrong if it does not support their argument.

It is just not the ones that like or defend QC that does this...it is also the ones who have a dislike or flat out hate of QC.

So the knife does indeed cut both ways...depending if you like QC or do Not....and that knife has been in many of our hands on different occasions.

[speedkilz88]

Originally Posted by CowboynIRAQ

on that side. But I will give Irvin the benefit. I'm hoping that Hunter or someone works out over there. I still say that Hunter is the Free Safety that we are looking for. That is his natural position, it is the position he was playing when he caught the scouts eye. I know we want a big CB in a bad way, but Hunter's is a natural FS.

I'm hoping he proves me wrong, but my gut tells me I am not.

Hunter was originally a corner at Virginia Union. The only reason he was switched to FS was that opponents would not throw his way and the coaches did what a lot of small colleges do in this situation and moved him to the centerfield position to get him around the ball.

What got the scouts' eye was his size/speed combination. In a workout by the Cowboy's former db coach(Clancy Pendergrast) he wowed him with cornerback skills(quickness/cutting ability). From day one the coaching staff always said that he didn't have the run support ability to be a FS and is more valuable at corner with his physical skills. BP has said pretty much the same last season.

[jay cee]

Originally Posted by mickgreen58

Tell me about it.

TXCN doesn't advertise all that much, so if I dont remember to watch it, I will tend to miss it.

I have no choice but to trust Mike Irvin at this point because I cannot see for myself. I think most Receivers could determine if a Corner is any good or not.

I forgot the person in this thread who said "Sometimes the truth hurt", but that is how I feel. Let's just hope Mike is wrong in his assessment. Remember, we have 2 1st round picks, so that guy, if indeed we snatch a corner out of neccessity should be expected to play right away.

I have more curious to see what he had to say about the Offensive and Defensive Line play. No offense to Hunter but, I just have this feeling that one of those 1st round picks will be on a corner, I just do.

Should be fun to watch!!!



- Mike G.

I'm with you on the D-line, O-line interest. IMO, that's the key. That strong pass rush helped Larry Brown, maybe it can help Hunter.

I know the offense will be much better if the O-line plays better than it did last season.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by Dexter Nguyen

Agreed .. I dont think Hunter will be the answer at CB either. He hurt us most of the time he was on field last season. Mike knows better than anyone what an opposing wr will do to a cb who lacks ability. I think we may be forsced to find out that Mario wasn't all that bad. BPs biggest mistake to date IMO.

Sorry bro I 'aint on board with that. Mario wasn't all that bad? BP's biggest mistake to date? I guess we will see but it's my opinion we won't see any drop off at that position.

[Bluefin]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

So then, the receiver in Irvin might cause him to suggest a DB is lacking, but would not cause him to say complimentary things about a quarterback?

Funny how loyalties lie with the offense in one case but not another.

Deep, I was only wondering if it was the receiver in Irvin that possibly led him to diss the cornerback situation.

It's not like I came out and called Mike an idiot for questioning the position across from Terence Newman.

Except for Pete Hunter, I haven't even seen the other candidates at right corner play.

I know Hunter has the tools to become a solid starter, especially if the pass rush awakens, but no one knows if Pete has the proper mindset to handle the position on a fulltime basis.

We'll have to see that on the field.

Considering all the talent on the defensive side of the ball and the player who Hunter must replace, I don't think it's a big leap to believe Hunter will be up to the task.

As for Irvin feeling a big receiver will help Carter and that it was unfair to judge him without one, it'd be pretty easy to say that was the homer in Irv rearing its head.

Not only for the Cowboys, but also for the receiver position in general.

But does that mean Irv's claim is totally without merit?

I don't think so.

Look on the bright side, it's one less "excuse" in Carter's defense.

Q has a big, physical lead receiver now.

Originally Posted by SALADIN

Far right republican or far left democratic platform which is it gona be Bluefiiin

GO!

Fin doesn't really know his politics, what would you call a 24/7 Cowboys platform?

Originally Posted by Danny White

As much as I want Irvin to be wrong on this, the odds are in his favor that he's right.

We have a bunch of untested, unheralded guys vying for a starting position. While we homers hope the best for our diamonds in the rough, it would be more surprising than not if we found a solid starter out of this group.

Irvin may be a clown sometimes, but he knows more about the game than any of us here. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Indeed.

Irvin may be right, but we really haven't seen that much of any of the candidates.

Pete Hunter had a hard time early in the year trying to play with one arm and eventually relingished the nickel spot to Derek Ross.

Hunter looked a lot better when he received a second chance after Ross' unfortunate release.

And learning to play the slot is no picnic, IMO.

There's no sideline to help out, the wideout often get a free release due to lining up off the line of scrimmage or being in motion and he has a large area to get open in.

I believe it's easier to find a comfort zone on the outside.

Originally Posted by big dog cowboy

Sorry bro I 'aint on board with that. Mario wasn't all that bad? BP's biggest mistake to date? I guess we will see but it's my opinion we won't see any drop off at that position.

That's the question in my mind, how hard will it be to replace a starter who registered 1 interception, 8 passes defensed and 44 tackles?

Rio didn't make plays and he was a target because of his lack of recovery speed.

Pete Hunter finished with 1 interception, 4 passes defensed and and 16 tackles in about one quarter of the plays Edwards had.

Any corner is going to get beat and give up some big plays, but I believe Hunter will make more plays in return than Rio did.

It'd be hard not to, IMO.

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

Just curious...do you believe and agree with everything that Bill says...even if he is saying good things about QC?

IMO your argument is weak because most of us have things that we may or may not agree with when someone else says something (such as Bill, Jerry, Irvin and so on).

Exactly.

How can someone call people out for being homers and then be upset when they don't agree with everything an ex-Cowboy says?

Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

OOOH... OOOH...OOOH!

Can I answer!

Is it because many have a certain type of "love" for Quincy that they have yet to develop for Hunter?

Not in my case.

Pete Hunter is one of my favorite players on the team.

But I didn't let my personal feeling for Hunter to get in the way.

I don't know if he's going to be the answer on the right side or that Irvin was wrong about the spot.

I do expect Hunter to handle the job, but I'm not going to say it's an absolute and I also wondered if it wasn't the receiver in Irvin coming out.

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Hunter was originally a corner at Virginia Union. The only reason he was switched to FS was that opponents would not throw his way and the coaches did what a lot of small colleges do in this situation and moved him to the centerfield position to get him around the ball.

What got the scouts' eye was his size/speed combination. In a workout by the Cowboy's former db coach(Clancy Pendergrast) he wowed him with cornerback skills(quickness/cutting ability). From day one the coaching staff always said that he didn't have the run support ability to be a FS and is more valuable at corner with his physical skills. BP has said pretty much the same last season.

Pete Hunter didn't play much as a freshman in '98.

In '99, Hunter was selected an All-CIAA cornerback with 6 interceptions and ten deflections along with 2 sacks and 6 tackles for loss. Pete also recovered 2 fumbles.

In '00, Hunter was again first team All-CIAA starting every game as a strong safety and boudary cornerback. Pete had 3 interceptions, 13 deflcetions, 1 sack and 9 tackles for loss. He also had 3 fumble recoveries and 2 forced fumbles.

In '01, Hunter shifted to free safety and was an All-CIAA first team choice. Pete was also acknowledged as a Little All-American by The NFL Draft Report and received national first team honors from Football Gazette.

Hunter logged 11 interceptions and deflected 7 others, had 50 tackles with a pair for losses, forced and recovered a fumble and blocked 7 kicks while also calling out defensive signals for the first time.

Whew!

Hunter was never allowed to grow at any position while at Virginia Union and the biggest reward for the Cowboys will be if he can become a starting cornerback.

We'll see what happens.

[jterrell]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

Brain - the implication is that Irvin may not see something in Hunter because Irvin was a WR and Hunter a DB. Bluefin stated this.

So my comment is simple.

If Irvin can be biased toward the offense, doesn't it stand to reason his support of Carter would also have a smattering of bias as well?

I just believe there is a double standard here. Not that Irvin has it. But the poster is using Irvin's position as an excuse for Hunter. Meaning he doesn't take what Irvin is saying literally since Irvin was a former offensive player.

Why does the knife cut one way for Hunter yet the other way for Carter in his opinion?

Pretty easy.
Irvin feels he can beat Hunter right now, today. He is a cocky WR. He doesnt see Hunter as being able to stay with his moves and is honestly stating he thinks Dallas needs better CBs.

However, Hunter is as big as Mike and much faster. He may very well have covered him quite well as bigger CBs always had more success against the playmaker.

At QB Irvin was judging the various players there not just QC and he judged QC better than the rest and also capable of being a legit NFL starter.

As usual your man-lust for the QC hating argument has lead you and this thread astray. But thanks for once again providing just a little ray of sunshine for everyone.

[Sportsbabe]

AB "ain't no baller". If that's what he was whining about. I'm with Mike, my future husband , he should be glad he's getting all the reps. Why is he worried about what somebody else is doing? Unbelievable. Kids these days .

As far as the DBs are concerned .... oh Lord, this is the last thing I wanted to hear!!! We've got Randy Moss on opening day. The outlook couldn't be any gloomier.

[BHendri5]

Originally Posted by jay cee

How does a post about a former player's opinion on the cornerbacks become another Carter thread?

That my friend is the million dollar question.

[BHendri5]

Originally Posted by speedkilz88

Hunter was originally a corner at Virginia Union. The only reason he was switched to FS was that opponents would not throw his way and the coaches did what a lot of small colleges do in this situation and moved him to the centerfield position to get him around the ball.

What got the scouts' eye was his size/speed combination. In a workout by the Cowboy's former db coach(Clancy Pendergrast) he wowed him with cornerback skills(quickness/cutting ability). From day one the coaching staff always said that he didn't have the run support ability to be a FS and is more valuable at corner with his physical skills. BP has said pretty much the same last season.

what I read was the other way around, that he was a Safety, that played corner one season but the majority of the time he was playing safety, and what caught the scouts eye was that he was able to play corner and that so the boys wanted to make him a Corner because of his size and speed.
FS is not used for run support like a SS is. (which is what Woodson and Williams are) FS plays pass first not run.
Really all safeties are suppose to play pass first. but the SS started to evolve into run stopping support. The first step of any Safety should always be back, until they see what is going on. the FS should be deeper than the SS, as he is the last line of defense.

[Sportsbabe]

Originally Posted by CowboynIRAQ

That my friend is the million dollar question.

Actually, the answer is pretty simple. If a person has enough determination and passion for a certain thing, nothing can stand in their way. Not time, not facts, not relevance, not a horse layed out in a bloody pulp.

[BHendri5]

Originally Posted by mickgreen58

Tell me about it.

TXCN doesn't advertise all that much, so if I dont remember to watch it, I will tend to miss it.

I have no choice but to trust Mike Irvin at this point because I cannot see for myself. I think most Receivers could determine if a Corner is any good or not.

I forgot the person in this thread who said "Sometimes the truth hurt", but that is how I feel. Let's just hope Mike is wrong in his assessment. Remember, we have 2 1st round picks, so that guy, if indeed we snatch a corner out of neccessity should be expected to play right away.

I have more curious to see what he had to say about the Offensive and Defensive Line play. No offense to Hunter but, I just have this feeling that one of those 1st round picks will be on a corner, I just do.

Should be fun to watch!!!



- Mike G.

Mike, I hope Hunter works out as a corner, he has the ability, but he is a natural FS, not SS but FS, we need one of those too. Check out my post with Hunter's college bio.

[chinch]

if Hunter was a Miami Hurricane, Mike would be falling all over him and predicting probowl appearances.

what he told AB was spot on, but his "evaluation" skills are very biased and mostly lacking.

[Maikeru-sama]

Well, Hunter has had all the time in the world seemingly to show the Coaching Staff what he can do. If he does not pan out at Cornerback this year (I mean just flat out fails), I think it is time to cut our lossess. He probably wont have any trade value (his size maybe attractive to some), so I guess it wont hurt to try him at FS.

Yes, we need a FS bad on this team. Old Keith Davis had a standout year in NFL Europe playing FS, but it has yet to be seen if he can have the same success in the NFL. I think we should go after a Free Saftey in the Draft next year early. I think that going after one early may be a long shot because we have pressing needs at DT, WR and Corner. But if get a pleasant surprise out of some of the backups and starters at these positions, than we have to move FS up on our priority list.

See how bad investments like Solomon Page and Ebenezer Ekuban can set your franchise back. If Page would have worked out, we wouldnt have had to use a 2nd on a Tackle. If Ekuban would have worked out, we could have went after another position instead of bringing in Wiley. I am sure there are other examples and I hope I dont have to write out a similar statement about Antonio Bryant and Andre Gurode this time next year.

- Mike G.

[FLCowboyFan]

Originally Posted by SALADIN

Hey Hollywood. I hope that you don't take this the wrong way but when you played football, and I'm assuming you have. How many years did you play DB?

Trust me, or not. But it has nothing to do with the coach.

I think Hollywood Henderson was a great DB! If you are the REAL Hollywood!