Parcells Draft History?

[ghettogandhi]

I was curious as to who has been drafted with Patriots and Jets with Parcells as the head coach....Does anyone have his history?

I have heard alot of people question his personnel moves and am curious to find out if it is a merited excuse or a legitimate concern?

I must admit I was flabergasted when the Cowboys traded their first round pick ( either K jones or S jackson)

I have since moved on and hope with all my being that Julius Jones is the real deal.

[AJM1613]

http://nfl.com/draft/history/drafts

[ctalker]

I read a Len Pasquarelli article once breaking down Parcell's drafts where he had the GM role, as well as, being the coach. They article was not very flattering from what I can remember and seemed to indicate that he was not very good at drafting. I don't know if they archive all of his articles at ESPN.com but might be worth looking for.

[ghettogandhi]

Parcells 4 years as jets gm was pretty bad---- the only good draft he had was the one in which he somehow obtained 4 first round picks and got abraham, ellis, coles and becht.....other than that his track record is awful.....
for those that say he knows what he is doing are only half right...

he is a tremendous coach, motivator and gets the most out of most of his players

he is also a lousy gm- good thing we have a whole team providing input into the drafts and player personel decision making.

[ghettogandhi]

Here is his jets draft history....other than keyshawn, and randy thomas every draft minus 2000 sucked.



1 1 Johnson, Keyshawn WR Southern California
2 31 Van Dyke, Alex WR Nevada
3 62 Mickens, Ray CB Texas A&M
5 133 Coleman, Marcus CB Texas Tech
6 168 Hunter, Hugh DE Hampton
7 210 Hayes, Chris FS Washington State

1997
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 8 Farrior, James ILB Virginia
2 31 Terry, Rick DT North Carolina
3 88 Ward, Dedric WR Northern Iowa
4 102 Day, Terry DE Mississippi State
4 104 Johnson, Leon RB North Carolina
5 131 Burns, Lamont G East Carolina
5 145 Austin, Raymond S Tennessee
6 164 Scharf, Tim LB Northwestern
6 191 Clements, Chuck QB Houston
7 202 Rosga, Steve S Colorado
7 229 Ferguson, Jason NT Georgia

1998
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 56 Boose, Dorian DE Washington State
3 67 Frost, Scott FS Nebraska
3 87 Williams, Kevin FS Oklahoma State
4 111 Fabini, Jason T Cincinnati
5 134 Dailey, Casey LB Northwestern
5 141 Karczewski, Doug G Virginia
5 146 Spence, Blake TE Oregon
5 149 Bateman, Eric T Brigham Young
6 163 Ogbogu, Eric DE Maryland
6 174 Brazzell, Chris WR Angelo State
6 183 Johnson, Dustin RB Brigham Young
7 195 Hart, Lawrence TE Southern U.

1999
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 57 Thomas, Randy G Mississippi State
3 90 Loverne, David G San Jose State
4 123 Wiltz, Jason NT Nebraska
5 162 Jones, Jermaine CB N.W. Louisiana
6 183 Megna, Marc LB Richmond
6 197 Machado, J.P. G Illinois
7 223 Young, Ryan T Kansas State
7 235 Syvrud, J.J. LB Jamestown

2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 12 Ellis, Shaun DE Tennessee
1 13 Abraham, John DE South Carolina
1 18 Pennington, Chad QB Marshall
1 27 Becht, Anthony TE West Virginia
3 78 Coles, Laveranues WR Florida State
5 143 Hayes, Windrell WR Southern California
6 179 Scott, Tony CB North Carolina State
7 218 Seals, Richard DT Utah

[ghettogandhi]

His track record for the jets speaks for itself ... take a look


1996- one star and two serviceable cbs makes this his second best draft

Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 1 Johnson, Keyshawn WR Southern California
2 31 Van Dyke, Alex WR Nevada
3 62 Mickens, Ray CB Texas A&M
5 133 Coleman, Marcus CB Texas Tech
6 168 Hunter, Hugh DE Hampton
7 210 Hayes, Chris FS Washington State

1997- a horrible draft

Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 8 Farrior, James ILB Virginia
2 31 Terry, Rick DT North Carolina
3 88 Ward, Dedric WR Northern Iowa
4 102 Day, Terry DE Mississippi State
4 104 Johnson, Leon RB North Carolina
5 131 Burns, Lamont G East Carolina
5 145 Austin, Raymond S Tennessee
6 164 Scharf, Tim LB Northwestern
6 191 Clements, Chuck QB Houston
7 202 Rosga, Steve S Colorado
7 229 Ferguson, Jason NT Georgia

1998- The worst draft of the bunch

Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 56 Boose, Dorian DE Washington State
3 67 Frost, Scott FS Nebraska
3 87 Williams, Kevin FS Oklahoma State
4 111 Fabini, Jason T Cincinnati
5 134 Dailey, Casey LB Northwestern
5 141 Karczewski, Doug G Virginia
5 146 Spence, Blake TE Oregon
5 149 Bateman, Eric T Brigham Young
6 163 Ogbogu, Eric DE Maryland
6 174 Brazzell, Chris WR Angelo State
6 183 Johnson, Dustin RB Brigham Young
7 195 Hart, Lawrence TE Southern U.

1999- terrible draft


Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 57 Thomas, Randy G Mississippi State
3 90 Loverne, David G San Jose State
4 123 Wiltz, Jason NT Nebraska
5 162 Jones, Jermaine CB N.W. Louisiana
6 183 Megna, Marc LB Richmond
6 197 Machado, J.P. G Illinois
7 223 Young, Ryan T Kansas State
7 235 Syvrud, J.J. LB Jamestown

2000- four first rounders and a great 3rd round selection makes this by far his best


Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 12 Ellis, Shaun DE Tennessee
1 13 Abraham, John DE South Carolina
1 18 Pennington, Chad QB Marshall
1 27 Becht, Anthony TE West Virginia
3 78 Coles, Laveranues WR Florida State
5 143 Hayes, Windrell WR Southern California
6 179 Scott, Tony CB North Carolina State
7 218 Seals, Richard DT Utah

Does anyone have the NE draft record while Parcells was the coach.?

[Tio]

did you really need to make two threads?

[junk]

Well technically Bill isn't GM in Dallas. I am sure he has input, but I think Jerry is making the final call.

Doesn't matter anyway, I was happy with the 5 win improvement in year one.

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by RW31

did you really need to make two threads?

Would a mod please close this?

[Gill]

96 bill was with the pats

[LaTunaNostra]

Just for the record. Bill wasn't even in NY for the 96 draft - the year Keyshawn was taken. That year he was taking the Pats to the Super Bowl.

1997
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 8 Farrior, James ILB Virginia
2 31 Terry, Rick DT North Carolina
3 88 Ward, Dedric WR Northern Iowa
4 102 Day, Terry DE Mississippi State
4 104 Johnson, Leon RB North Carolina
5 131 Burns, Lamont G East Carolina
5 145 Austin, Raymond S Tennessee
6 164 Scharf, Tim LB Northwestern
6 191 Clements, Chuck QB Houston
7 202 Rosga, Steve S Colorado
7 229 Ferguson, Jason NT Georgia

Farrior was a disappointment. The only year he showed anything in NY was in his contact year, when he put up pretty good numbers, then fled to Pittsburgh. He was constantly platooned in NY. Terry was a bust. Ward is still kicking around as we all know. Day sucked. Johnson was a darn fine tail and return specialist who was cursed with knee injuries. And a good omen for Bill and the luck he has had with latter round running backs. The final pick, Jason "Butterball" Ferguson was the starting nose for Tuna and Belichick in the Jet's 3-4. When the Bradway-Edwards regime came in, he transitioned to 4-3, where he has started every year.

1998
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 56 Boose, Dorian DE Washington State
3 67 Frost, Scott FS Nebraska
3 87 Williams, Kevin FS Oklahoma State
4 111 Fabini, Jason T Cincinnati
5 134 Dailey, Casey LB Northwestern
5 141 Karczewski, Doug G Virginia
5 146 Spence, Blake TE Oregon
5 149 Bateman, Eric T Brigham Young
6 163 Ogbogu, Eric DE Maryland
6 174 Brazzell, Chris WR Angelo State
6 183 Johnson, Dustin RB Brigham Young
7 195 Hart, Lawrence TE Southern U.

Let's keep in mind the Jets lost their first round to the Pats because Tuna jumped ship in NE and then lost the first and third for Curtis Martin the following year when Bill pried him away from the Pats. This draft did stink, tho Fabini has been the starting LT since Jumbo Elliot retired. Boose and Blake were complete duds. Kevin Williams, best known for being victimized by Garrison Hearst, hung around the league for awhile. Frost was an abortion of a safety. Og did nothing in NY but aggravate.

1999
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 57 Thomas, Randy G Mississippi State
3 90 Loverne, David G San Jose State
4 123 Wiltz, Jason NT Nebraska
5 162 Jones, Jermaine CB N.W. Louisiana
6 183 Megna, Marc LB Richmond
6 197 Machado, J.P. G Illinois
7 223 Young, Ryan T Kansas State
7 235 Syvrud, J.J. LB Jamestown

Ryan Young before his injury was a primo young player, so much so he was the quid pro quo for "unloading" the pricey contracts of Aaron Glenn and Marcus Coleman in the Houston expansion draft.

Thomas is a Pro Bowler, started every game in his rookie year, the first time in two decades a Jets rookie guard had done that.. Machado is a swing guard-center, not a very good one. The rest of them fell by the wayside. Wiltz in particular cemented the rep of Nebraska dlinemen with Jets fans. Syvrud and Megna kicked around for a awhile.

2000
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 12 Ellis, Shaun DE Tennessee
1 13 Abraham, John DE South Carolina
1 18 Pennington, Chad QB Marshall
1 27 Becht, Anthony TE West Virginia
3 78 Coles, Laveranues WR Florida State
5 143 Hayes, Windrell WR Southern California
6 179 Scott, Tony CB North Carolina State
7 218 Seals, Richard DT Utah

Of course this was the first time in NFL history any team had four first round picks. Coles was the steal. Other than first rounders Abraham and Ellis, Bill had poor luck with dline and linebackers thru out his stay in NY.

The guy who cried "let me buy the groceries" certainly did not have the best of drafts...the team he built in NE under Robert Orthwein and Bob Kraft was much more impressive. Of course there Bill only had "input", not dictatorial powers. But he was the key voice, according to accounts, on Bledsoe over Mirer, Martin, McGinest, Milloy, Eaton, and I also think Bruschi, tho not 100 percent sure on that.

The major gripe against Bill in NY was not his drafts, it was the fat contacts he handed out to those who performed for him. That's not just the seven million in dead money the Jets must pay off to Vinnie the next two years. (VT played for one mil in 98 then was given an original 1999 contract of 49 million with 19 mil guaranteed. Why so much guaranteed? Bill liked him. Subsequent restructuring just made it that much bigger a nightmare. The Martin deal was a killer, but at least Curtis earned it. But almost everyone got overpaid - Chrebet, A. Glenn, Ray Mickens.

Everyone but Keyshawn. His misfortune was that by the time he started sounding off about holding out for a new contract two year before his rookie one was up, the well had run dry. Bill HAD to move him.

It was the huge payouts to good but aging players like Bryan Cox and Mo Lewis that the subsequent regime had to clean up. Had to "get rid" of a top cover corner and good young CB, had to play old men like Lewis and Jones because cutting them meant taking the hit..

Bill's 2000 draft was the icing on the coaching cake. Everything else was crumbs from the table, and he later said he thinks no one can wear both HC and GM hat and do his best. Still, with all his poor draft picks, he still did better than some of the prior legendary Jet FO dumbarses. There were no Blair Thomas' at least.

And he did reverse a 1-15 team off near a decade of futility at a time when perhaps no one else had the force of will, character, and reputation to right such a sunken ship.

[Gill]

Bill said when took over in dallas he would not make the mistakes he did in ny with the cap.

[AJM1613]

Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

Bill's 2000 draft was the icing on the coaching cake. Everything else was crumbs from the table, and he later said he thinks no one can wear both HC and GM hat and do his best.

IMO, the two best drafting GMs in the league are head coaches as well and very good ones (I think they have four Coach of the Years over the past 4 seasons? Reid was the coach of the year in 2000 and 2002, and BB was the coach of the year last year and I think 2001 but I am not sure). Wasn't Jimmy Johnson the GM in Miami and the HC? He built one of the most talented defenses when he was over there (3rd defense in points scored last season).

[junk]

Originally Posted by AJM1613

IMO, the two best drafting GMs in the league are head coaches as well and very good ones (I think they have four Coach of the Years over the past 4 seasons? Reid was the coach of the year in 2000 and 2002, and BB was the coach of the year last year and I think 2001 but I am not sure). Wasn't Jimmy Johnson the GM in Miami and the HC? He built one of the most talented defenses when he was over there (3rd defense in points scored last season).

Thats weird. AJM is pimping a member of the Eagles. I would have not expected that.

[AJM1613]

Originally Posted by junk

Thats weird. AJM is pimping a member of the Eagles. I would have not expected that.

But it is true. Three years ago in his first year as our GM he drafted 5 starters (Sheppard, Brown, Lewis, Westbrook and Brock) with 8 picks (Millons, Peters and Harrison). Millons was traded for a conditional draft pick, Peters is a back up for the Giants' offensive line and started 4 games last season for them and Harrison is our 5th linebacker and one of the best ST players on our team. All he had to work with was a 1st, 2 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th. Next year at this time we should have two starters from the 6 picks from the 2003 draft (McDougle and Smith). McMullen and Green would have started in 2005 if we didn't pick up Owens and Kearse in this off season.