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LaTunaNostra · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I think Galloway will get down the Tampa system before the start of the season and should do a good job for Tampa. He was brought in to give Tampa the needed speed on the outside and he will do that.

If all Gruden asks him to do is run simple wco takeoffs and splits, I am sure he will do fine.

But Gruden runs a wco that is fairly complex.

I expect Joey's learning curve to be pretty much what Terry Glenn's was when he was first introduced to a wco by Mike Sherman in green Bay two years ago.

An essentially sidelines go and Z route speed receiver asked to learn all manner of short patterns- shallow crosses, slants, curls, quick outs, and hitch routes, in a variety of personnel packages and to be in motion much more often, work the slot, and in addition to the short routes, the full intermidiate wco varieties of turn ins, speed outs, fades, in addition to the longer comebacks and simpler posts. A lot of this going on in the middle and along the seams, areas which Joey, and to a lesser extent, Terry, seemed to prefer to avoid.

It is going to take some study, even for a vet as experienced as Galloway. I think he will "get it", altho there seemed no evidence at all he was anxious to expand his repertoire in Dallas. He will have to greatly improve his not very impressive route running in a wco, as preciseness is essential.

I don't think he's dumb as a turnip. I do think he has the will and heart and courage of one tho. If he fails to expand, it will be due to the same lackadaisical and unjustified dependence on his God given talent (speed) he showed here last year, and the failure to diversify his game that did him in with Tuna.

Bluefin · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

I don't think he's dumb as a turnip. I do think he has the will and heart and courage of one tho. If he fails to expand, it will be due to the same lackadaisical and unjustified dependence on his God given talent (speed) he showed here last year, and the failure to diversify his game that did him in with Tuna.

That'd be Joey G in a nutshell.

Galloway has always been over relaint on his speed when playing football, what many would call a one trick pony.

It's was an eye popping trick, but having only one dimension to your game makes you easier to defend, IMO.

Joey's still roadrunner fast, but defenses have caught up and now know how to neutralize him.

It may be too late for Joey to change his stripes.

And with Keenan McCardell threatening to holdout, defenses may have a much easier time keying on stopping Galloway.

**BrAinPaiNt** · 07-12-2004

I am sure that the Gruden version of the WCO is very complex....however let's not forget that he was able to teach enough of it in his first years as Tampa's Coach...to help get that team to the Superbowl...and it was not just the Defense that got them through the playoffs as their Offense looked pretty good.

Either way, as someone said before Galloway struggled some in the WCO with Holmgren as well.

crazylegs · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by Bluefin

That'd be Joey G in a nutshell.

Galloway has always been over relaint on his speed when playing football, what many would call a one trick pony.

It's was an eye popping trick, but having only one dimension to your game makes you easier to defend, IMO.

Joey's still roadrunner fast, but defenses have caught up and now know how to neutralize him.

It may be too late for Joey to change his stripes.

And with Keenan McCardell threatening to holdout, defenses may have a much easier time keying on stopping Galloway.

Perfect analysis of JG.

A one trick pony show, he runs super fast pretty much in a straight line or can cut and drop the ball. Play off him 10 yards and the pony trick is done.

How many years did it take the defense around the league to figure this one out…. 1/16 of a year!

Hey, JJ great pickup for (2) 1st round picks, I know the hind site thing with Aikman, but he was never the long bomber either so again, what was JJ thinking?

TruBlueCowboy · 07-12-2004

I don't trust the Daily Turd and I think they made up that turnip bit. I think they find stuff that fans want to agree with and post it with a few legit quotes such as Galloway's comment on shifting. Having said that, I 100% agree with them.

That was the steal of the century. Keyshawn is going to be a far more productive receiver than Galloway ever was.

starfrombirth · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by crazylegs

Perfect analysis of JG.

A one trick pony show, he runs super fast pretty much in a straight line or can cut and drop the ball. Play off him 10 yards and the pony trick is done.

How many years did it take the defense around the league to figure this one out…. 1/16 of a year!

Hey, JJ great pickup for (2) 1st round picks, I know the hind site thing with Aikman, but he was never the long bomber either so again, what was JJ thinking?

I know that Troy didnt throw deep often, He wasnt required to, BUT when he did, he could throw deep with the best of them. And there was no one more accurate short or deep

crazylegs · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by starfrombirth

I know that Troy didnt throw deep often, He wasnt required to, BUT when he did, he could throw deep with the best of them. And there was no one more accurate short or deep

The only time Aikman was effecent throwing deep was when Harper could out jump the CB, so I don't know how he got the deepball tag?

Bluefin · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by starfrombirth

I know that Troy didnt throw deep often, He wasnt required to, BUT when he did, he could throw deep with the best of them. And there was no one more accurate short or deep

Not the Troy Aikman I watched.

The deep ball was his worst pass and he constantly underthrew his receivers.

If Michael Irvin didn't always have to slow down at least a half step on so many of those bombs and allow the corner to catch up, he would've scored 20 or more touchdowns than he did.

Irvin and Emmitt Smith joke about how the Playmaker should be the official co-holder of Emmitt's rushing touchdown record for all the times he set Smith up inside the five yard line.

Some of that was due to Irvin being as slow as molasses in the open field, but it was also due to constantly having to slow down and adjust to Aikman's passes.

Aikman was the most accurate passer from 25 yards in I've seen play, but his deep passes were not in that category.

LaTunaNostra · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

I am sure that the Gruden version of the WCO is very complex....however let's not forget that he was able to teach enough of it in his first years as Tampa's Coach...to help get that team to the Superbowl...and it was not just the Defense that got them through the playoffs as their Offense looked pretty good.

Either way, as someone said before Galloway struggled some in the WCO with Holmgren as well.

Yes, Chuckie does have the rep of a top notch teacher. Energetic. creative, and and detailed.

If Joey's final grade this season is an "F", it's gonna be on the student, not on the teacher.

What's more likely is that lukewarm, mealy-mouthed, barely passing D+ again.

**BrAinPaiNt** · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

Yes, Chuckie does have the rep of a top notch teacher. Energetic. creative, and and detailed.

If Joey's final grade this season is an "F", it's gonna be on the student, not on the teacher.

What's more likely is that lukewarm, mealy-mouthed, barely passing D+ again.

I just think if anything Joey is the anti-WCO type of WR.

It seems that most productive WCO WRs are bigger and better at the short routes (meaning running good precise routes) but with the ability to get the RAC....while Joey is just the deep threat guy.

Who knows...I guess we will have to wait and see.

**jobberone** · 07-12-2004

JG was never considered stupid here. So I'm "stupified" over this comment.

I suspect Gruden's offense is more complicated than Dallas' offense. Also, I would assume it takes a while for someone to pick up a new offense. I personally found just learning the new terminology takes a while to become automatic rather than having to think about it.

I have no idea how JG will do in TB but I'm pulling for him unless he's playing us. JG should be able to help TB. I don't think they would have pulled the string on this unless they thought he was capable.

I don't understand why some people would be so down on JG. His numbers here were as good as the team and QB would allow IMO. It was not his fault JJ spent two number ones for him, Aikman "retired", and there has been a parade of OCs, HCs, QBs, and whatever thru here during his tenure. He was a very good speed WR and that is all he should be compared to. He never was a savior and had poor tools to work with.

Good luck Joey.

Doomsday101 · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

If all Gruden asks him to do is run simple wco takeoffs and splits, I am sure he will do fine.

But Gruden runs a wco that is fairly complex.

I expect Joey's learning curve to be pretty much what Terry Glenn's was when he was first introduced to a wco by Mike Sherman in green Bay two years ago.

An essentially sidelines go and Z route speed receiver asked to learn all manner of short patterns- shallow crosses, slants, curls, quick outs, and hitch routes, in a variety of personnel packages and to be in motion much more often, work the slot, and in addition to the short routes, the full intermidiate wco varieties of turn ins, speed outs, fades, in addition to the longer comebacks and simpler posts. A lot of this going on in the middle and along the seams, areas which Joey, and to a lesser extent, Terry, seemed to prefer to avoid.

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I expect it will take Galloway some time to learn the terminology and the offensive system but I think he will be able to pick it up and I think he will be a big help to Tampa who has been lacking the deep threat. I love the trade between Dallas and Tampa because I think it fills the need of both teams. Dallas clearly needed a big WR who can go over the middle and make the tough catch and of course Tampa needed the outside speed

Ken · 07-12-2004

Anyone who believes this drivel is really grasping at straws....

It is well known that Galloway graduated Ohio State with a 4.0 GPA.

He is hardly stupid.

NFL offenses are not complex if you are literate and willing to work.

This is pure garbage.

ravidubey · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by crazylegs

Perfect analysis of JG.

A one trick pony show, he runs super fast pretty much in a straight line or can cut and drop the ball. Play off him 10 yards and the pony trick is done.

How many years did it take the defense around the league to figure this one out…. 1/16 of a year!

Hey, JJ great pickup for (2) 1st round picks, I know the hind site thing with Aikman, but he was never the long bomber either so again, what was JJ thinking?

When did Payton and Parcells even try to burn defenses for exclusively covering Galloway deep? When did they try to mix things up once the deep zones rained down?

Hardly ever during the reg season, and then with silly trick plays like against Philadelphia.

Finally in the playoffs they gameplanned short hitches and quick slants and Galloway racked up 70+ yards before Carolina was so far ahead their pass rushers neutraized the offense entirely.

Is the WCO hard for Joey to grasp? Hell yes, especially since it is built for big WRs, TE's and fullbacks. But it will begin to click; the big difference between Joey's experience with Holmgren and Gruden is huge-- Galloway is in camp and not jumping in after 8 weeks have gone by.

ravidubey · 07-12-2004

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Originally Posted by Ken

Anyone who believes this drivel is really grasping at straws....

It is well known that Galloway graduated Ohio State with a 4.0 GPA.

He is hardly stupid.

NFL offenses are not complex if you are literate and willing to work.

This is pure garbage.

Exactly, dude. What you've got here is a bunch of rationalizing. Galloway isn't Randy Moss, but he's better than anyone we have currently.