Darren Woodson plays fact or fiction - Page 2 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

Charles · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by wayne_motley

in case you missed it yesterday, Monday, July 12, on ESPN.

1. Fact or Fiction: Vinnie Testeverde will beat out Quincy Carter for the starting QB job.

"Oh, that's Fiction...Quincy carried this team last year with no running game. He's our QB."

2. Parcells is a tougher coach than Jimmy JOhnson.

"Fact...Johnson had a saying that he didn't treat every player the same. Darren Woodson didn't get treated the way Troy Aikman or another star was treated...Parcells doesn't care who you are....he just wants to win.

3. KJ will complain about his role in the offense.

"Fact...but that's good...you want guys who want the ball the way Michael Irvin did."

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I just saw the segment.

So how long before we have a thread titled "Darren Woodson Question".........

I am looking forward to finding out Woody's personality type.

What is the cruxs of Woody's statement?

jterrell · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by JBell523

Yeah Woodson was very clear with his words too, it sounded like he's been practicing... he didn't stutter or mumble or nothin...

He's also not afraid to voice his opinion, he gave straight forward answers...

Hes been working on broadcasting for his future as a lot of Cowboys did. Moose most notably but the list is long. America's Team will represent on the airwaves.

OldMan · 07-13-2004

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The reality is that he gives the Cowboys another option at finding a franchise caliber QB without doing something drastic or giving up a high first round pick. AND he will have to beat QC out to win the job. He is not going to be handed the job just because he's Drew Henson. His draft position (a 3rd) and his salary does not dictate he play (ala Palmer in Cincy, et al). And if he can't beat out QC, then that means Quincy has elevated his game to a very high level. Would that be a bad thing?

This is the key to the whole QB controversy. It's not the first nor will it be the last in the NFL. The only thing different with Quincy is some fans tried to make it a racial thing. (Both sides). I don't care if Quincy is green (Sometimes he is, when my set goes on the blink), IF he can elevate his game to a very high level. Now the only thing wrong is, he hasn't convinced me that he can. I would love to be convinced starting with TC this year. Bill Parcells says he expects every position to be better this year, that includes QB. If Quincy does not start out better then I look for him to be benched early, not after the season is in the toilet. JMHO

Sportsbabe · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by wayne_motley

...certainly indicate that the players are behind Carter and don't expect any competition from anyone this

Agree. Thanks for the info.

If I had to choose a coach for my team, even though I love Jimmy, I'd have to go with BP.

Sportsbabe · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by RW31

You are lucky, I tried to get NFL Network and apperently timewarner doesn't give it out until the season starts

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BTW, we need better smilies....

Hi RW31,

You're not missing anything. I hate the NFL Network. Total Access is a sham. Too much talk show mess and not enough football "access". I'm talking offices, practice fields, meetings, etc. Behind the scenes stuff. If I wanted to see the players in a suit sitting in a chair I'd watch the Tonight Show or something. They also have too many repeat shows. The NFL has too much history and activity for the NFL Network to have soooo many repeats. The only show I never miss is "Sound Bites" or whatever they name it. The show that has sound bites after the game during regular season.

In my humble opinion

**trickblue** · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by jterrell

Hes been working on broadcasting for his future as a lot of Cowboys did. Moose most notably but the list is long. America's Team will represent on the airwaves.

as it should be... from America's Team to America's Broadcaster... a logical progression...

Tio · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by trickblue

as it should be... from America's Team to America's Broadcaster... a logical progression...

I love hearing nfc east opponents groan when aikman or moose covers the game. Plus we have representatives forevery pregame show, well except for that crappy one. We run a monopoly baby!!!

Hostile · 07-13-2004

Woodson agreed with Sean Salisbury on that point, in fact on almost all of them.

Just 2 days ago there was a thread here about what an idiot Sailsbury is. There have been many comments about him and clayton and if they say somethign expect the opposite to happen.

All of those judgments and jabs are conveniently forgotten now aren't they?

I love the mediots. They serve agendas so well. Mickey's an idiot unless he says that Carter is the starter and Vinny is insurance only. Let him be critical and he's right back to idiot. So hyocritical.

Tio · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by Hostile

Woodson agreed with Sean Salisbury on that point, in fact on almost all of them.

Just 2 days ago there was a thread here about what an idiot Sailsbury is. There have been many comments about him and clayton and if they say somethign expect the opposite to happen.

All of those judgments and jabs are conveniently forgotten now aren't they?

I love the mediots. They serve agendas so well. Mickey's an idiot unless he says that Carter is the sterter and Vinny is insurance only. Let him be critical and he's right back to idiot. So hyocritical.

What are you talking about? Salisbury is all knowing...now that berman guy, to hell with him...

LaTunaNostra · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by Hostile

Woodson agreed with Sean Salisbury on that point, in fact on almost all of them.

Just 2 days ago there was a thread here about what an idiot Sailsbury is. There have been many comments about him and clayton and if they say somethign expect the opposite to happen.

All of those judgments and jabs are conveniently forgotten now aren't they?

I love the mediots. They serve agendas so well. Mickey's an idiot unless he says that Carter is the sterter and Vinny is insurance only. Let him be critical and he's right back to idiot. So hyocritical.

No, TH. Salisbury's prior idiocies have not been forgotten.

He's got a LOT of making up to do to outlive the drug comment to Irvin, for instance..

But if he keeps up the kind of performance he had today with Woody, in about 1000 years, he could totally redeem himself with me.

I'm ALWAYS open to persuasion by a GOOD argument. Tho an open mind here is usually interpreted as flip-flopping by the inflexible with something to "prove".

Always. Like that excellet argument Slick put up on Newman returning punts last week.

I'm still fundamentally a shivering coward at the thought of it, but I'm much more moved towards his position now.

later

Charles · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

No, TH. Salisbury's prior idiocies have not been forgotten.

He's got a LOT of making up to do to outlive the drug comment to Irvin, for instance..

But if he keeps up the kind of performance he had today with Woody, in about 1000 years, he could totally redeem himself with me.

I'm ALWAYS open to persuasion by a GOOD argument. Tho an open mind here is usually interpreted as flip-flopping by the inflexible with something to "prove".

Always. Like that excellet argument Slick put up on Newman returning punts last week.

I'm still fundamentally a shivering coward at the thought of it, but I'm much more moved towards his position now.

later

My internal mute mechanism was activated the minute Sean opennned his yap.

I focused more on what Woody had to say. We all know Parcells won't make any decisions based on Woody's opinion but Woody's opinion is as valid as they get. He was in camp when Troy took command of this team. He called out Emmitt fu.... Smith in 2002 (dminoes incident). He's a team leader, consumate professional and one of the few players (on the Cowboys roster) who knows what it takes to get to the top.

He believes in some way Carter carried the team without a running game last year.

Some posters believe Carter deserves a little credit. Those threads usually turn into 8 -10 pages

Hostile · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by LaTunaNostra

No, TH. Salisbury's prior idiocies have not been forgotten.

He's got a LOT of making up to do to outlive the drug comment to Irvin, for instance..

But if he keeps up the kind of performance he had today with Woody, in about 1000 years, he could totally redeem himself with me.

I'm ALWAYS open to persuasion by a GOOD argument. Tho an open mind here is usually interpreted as flip-flopping by the inflexible with something to "prove".

Always. Like that excellet argument Slick put up on Newman returning punts last week.

I'm still fundamentally a shivering coward at the thought of it, but I'm much more moved towards his position now.

later

I don't like the drug comments to Irvin either but I look at it more as him trying to joke with a friend than making it personal. My friends have said the exact same thing to me and they know I have never even had a drink, much less taken drugs. He should not have said it on National TV, but then aren't we all about forgiving Parcells for saying something he should not have, especially given the furor it caused?

As a writer, and a respecter of journalists, I simply cannot label these people the way some do. If these guys are wrong about anything, suddenly they are idiots. I don't buy that. There are some I like more than others. I don't even like Salisbury that much. I just don't have the inner capacity to dislike media people the way so many seem to.

Cutting him a little slack because he thinks Carter can beat out a 40 year old QB (who I never wanted in the first place) is simply not going to ever even enter my mind. He could have said Drew Henson was going to eliminate both of them and I wouldn't have flinched.

These guys are paid to give their opinions and I can't like them or dislike them for their opinions. If other people can, that's their business. I simply appreciate the fact they are giving me NFL news. That alone earns them a level of respect in my eyes. The fact that they put their reputations on the line earns them another level of respect.

I have never been a fan of censorship and I never will be. A guy writing something negative, or saying something negative about my Cowboys will not land him in my Gulag. I have preferences as anyone does, hate just isn't a part of it.

It's exactly the same thing with me defending people's rights to say what they think here. Too many people want the doubts silenced and right now. Those doubts are the opinions of human beings who are simply wanting to let their feelings be known. Silencing them is wrong. I wish some would express their doubts in a more civilized manner but I can't force that.

When Salisbury and Jaworksi break down passing plays they are eloquent and informative. Do they need to be syrup and sweet all the time? Not for me to respect them and be grateful that someone is talking football and I have the privilege to see it.

I just find it odd that two days ago "if Salisbury says it you know he's wrong" and today he said something and suddenly he's earned some redemption. He's still the exact same guy he was two days ago. No epiphany hit him. He hasn't enterred the waters of baptism to media good guy. He did what he has always done, shared his opinions. Doesn't make them fact now any more than they were fact two days ago when he was an idiot.

Charles · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by Hostile

Woodson agreed with Sean Salisbury on that point, in fact on almost all of them.

Just 2 days ago there was a thread here about what an idiot Sailsbury is. There have been many comments about him and clayton and if they say somethign expect the opposite to happen.

All of those judgments and jabs are conveniently forgotten now aren't they?

I love the mediots. They serve agendas so well. Mickey's an idiot unless he says that Carter is the starter and Vinny is insurance only. Let him be critical and he's right back to idiot. So hyocritical.

I just read the Sean Salisbury and John Clayton thread from 2 days ago..

Who really cares what these mediots say?

Peter King attended traning camp last year and boldly predicted that Chad was the future at Qb for the DallasCowboys.

After the Cowboys Giants game in week 2 he predicted Quincy Carter is the QB of the future.

John Clayton predicted Brian Griese was headed to Dallas in the 2003 off-season and Tim Couch had been contacted by the Cowboys this past off-season. He was totally off the mark. These guys spout opinions to sell newpapers, get rating on TV and traffic to their web sites. It's a business.

Sean Salisbury opinion (in my case) didn't even register a blimp. If Woody wasn't on the segment I wouldn't have wasted my time.

Woody made the most interesting point. The point he made has been argued and debated on this forum since the end of the season. He pretty much co-signed Jerry Jones statement from earlier this summer.

These are guys who are on the sideline and film room. They hear the plays in the 4th QTR. They know based on watching practice, coaches game film and knowing what it takes what Carter should or shouldn't do.

Sean Salisbury would flip-flop in a minute if Vinny took command of the team during training camp.

Hostile · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by Qcard

I just read the Sean Salisbury and John Clayton thread from 2 days ago..

Who really cares what these mediots say?

Peter King attended traning camp last year and boldly predicted that Chad was the future at Qb for the DallasCowboys.

After the Cowboys Giants game in week 2 he predicted Quincy Carter is the QB of the future.

John Clayton predicted Brian Griese was headed to Dallas in the 2003 off-season and Tim Couch had been contacted by the Cowboys this past off-season. He was totally off the mark. These guys spout opinions to sell newpapers, get rating on TV and traffic to their web sites. It's a business.

Sean Salisbury opinion (in my case) didn't even register a blimp. If Woody wasn't on the segment I wouldn't have wasted my time.

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Color me crazy but I do care what they have to say. It gives me something to read and something to talk about. The silence of no news at all is annoying. if nothign else they are providing a service to the fans. I won't force anyone to change their opinion and respect the service they offer.

I just find it amusing that a guy who is "always wrong" thinks Carter can beat out a 40 year old and suddenly he's not so dumb. I find that very funny.

kmd24 · 07-13-2004

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Originally Posted by Sportsbabe

Hi RW31,

You're not missing anything. I hate the NFL Network. Total Access is a sham. Too much talk show mess and not enough football "access". I'm talking offices, practice fields, meetings, etc. Behind the scenes stuff. If I wanted to see the players in a suit sitting in a chair I'd watch the Tonight Show or something. They also have too many repeat shows. The NFL has too much history and activity for the NFL Network to have soooo many repeats. The only show I never miss is "Sound Bites" or whatever they name it. The show that has sound bites after the game during regular season.

In my humble opinion

It's been pretty lame in the offseason, but remember that it's only been around since last November. This is the first preseason that the NFL Network has been in existence. When they're showing *every* preseason game (albeit tape delayed), folks will be salivating to get it.

Heck, I usually can't wait for the three minutes they devote to TC on Sportscenter. Imagine hour long segments from around the league and two-hour playbacks of preseason games. It's gonna be sweet, I tell you!