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Signals · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

Obviously that's true. They did vote and Tham is gone. I just remember how THam was crucified last year for his paltry ypc by the people on this board.

I hope those same folks are kind enough to hold sir Eddy to the same standards.

In my opinion the coaching staff's ability must be factored into the equation.

In other words EG's passed record must be factored with his new coaching staff.

I believe EG will improve with the Dallas Cowboys.

**MichaelWinicki** · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by StarKist

In my opinion the coaching staff's ability must be factored into the equation.

In other words EG's passed record must be factored with his new coaching staff.

I believe EG will improve with the Dallas Cowboys.

SK, the biggest problem I have with Eddie George isn't necessarilly his ****ty ypc average (even though that is a wonderful place to start) the problem I really have is that his carries will come from a guy Julius Jones who has the potential to take it to the house on every single carry. That's something EG can never do. And at least from the first couple days in camp it seems that Julius Jones is indeed all that. Bill Parcells talks about the need for "easy touchdowns". Eddie George will not give anyone an easy touchdown. Julius Jones can. And for an offense that stunk as badly as ours did last year I think having a guy that can score from any point on the field is a must-have.

bounce · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

SK, the biggest problem I have with Eddie George isn't necessarilly his ****ty ypc average (even though that is a wonderful place to start) the problem I really have is that his carries will come from a guy Julius Jones who has the potential to take it to the house on every single carry. That's something EG can never do. And at least from the first couple days in camp it seems that Julius Jones is indeed all that. Bill Parcells talks about the need for "easy touchdowns". Eddie George will not give anyone an easy touchdown. Julius Jones can. And for an offense that stunk as badly as ours did last year I think having a guy that can score from any point on the field is a must-have.

Why don't you let the guy play a single professional game first before you start talking about his game breaking ability, and the fact that he could 'take it to the house on every single carry.' Hell. At least wait for him to have one NFL carry.

**MichaelWinicki** · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by bounce

Why don't you let the guy play a single professional game first before you start talking about his game breaking ability, and the fact that he could 'take it to the house on every single carry.' Hell. At least wait for him to have one NFL carry.

Valid point--Let's wait.

God knows Eddie George has already proven he can't.

jimmy40 · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by MichaelWinicki

SK, the biggest problem I have with Eddie George isn't necessarilly his ****ty ypc average (even though that is a wonderful place to start) the problem I really have is that his carries will come from a guy Julius Jones who has the potential to take it to the house on every single carry. That's something EG can never do. And at least from the first couple days in camp it seems that Julius Jones is indeed all that. Bill Parcells talks about the need for "easy touchdowns". Eddie George will not give anyone an easy touchdown. Julius Jones can. And for an offense that stunk as badly as ours did last year I think having a guy that can score from any point on the field is a must-have.

You must really love Keyshawn.

dargonking999 · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by jimmy40

You must really love Keyshawn.

if he can do what irvin did i would marry him

jimmy40 · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by dargonking999

if he can do what irvin did i would marry him

There is no Troy Aikman throwing him the ball.

DallasEast · 08-02-2004

In 1989, 32-year old Ottis Anderson was the Giants primary back. Lewis Tillman was his backup:

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G RSH YDS YPC TD PCT R/G

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Ottis Anderson 16  325 1,023  3.1 14  64%  20
Lewis Tillman  16   79   290  3.7  0  16%   5

Check Anderson's Yards Per Carry average that season. During the following offseason, New York drafted Rodney Hampton. Anderson remained the primary back for the 1990 season:

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G RSH YDS YPC TD PCT R/G

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Ottis Anderson 16  225   784  3.5 11  44%  14
Rodney Hampton 15  109   455  4.2  2  21%   7

Anderson's YPC increased slightly during the Super Bowl season. Parcells retired [the first time] from the Giants and Ray Handley took over as head coach. Hampton was elevated to primary back over Anderson in 1991:

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G RSH YDS YPC TD PCT R/G

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Rodney Hampton 14  256 1,059  4.1 10  58%  18
Lewis Tillman  16   65   287  4.4  1  15%   4
Ottis Anderson 10   53   141  2.7  1  12%   5

It would have been interesting to have seen which back Parcells would've chosen in 1991. But my guess is that he would've also started Hampton in his second season.

This season, George is the 30+ year old back and Jones is the rookie. It will not surprise me to see Parcells attempt to utilize George in the same fashion as he did Anderson in '90. That would mean seeing George handle nearly 50% of the carries. And depending on how many carries Parcells wants to distribute among the other running backs, Jones can expect 20%-30% of the total carries.

IMO, if Parcells can get 100% production out of George, this will stabilize the running game--and adequately introduce Jones to the pro game without hindering his growth in the offense. I could live with that.

SuspectCorner · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by roywilliamsfan1

who will be starter? i think eddie geroge should be our starter so jones learns the system better , jones gives us more speed and awareness but george brings experience and hard running up the middle

IMO the use of george/jones will be a VERY fluid thing. and reshard lee has looked good early. don't forget richie anderson could see some duty at tailback. our running game could be very tough for opponents to game-plan this year. if that happens the offense will dominate in possession time and ...powerball in dallas.

dargonking999 · 08-02-2004

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Originally Posted by tothewhipbill

IMO the use of george/jones will be a VERY fluid thing. and reshard lee has looked good early. don't forget richie anderson could see some duty at tailback. our running game could be very tough for opponents to game-plan this year. if that happens the offense will dominate in possession time and ...powerball in dallas.

actuall riche might get some carries but if QC steps up and JJ and EG play well then it's gonna be a long season for our oppents incuding and starting with MINN

**trickblue** · 08-02-2004

Jones = Feature Attraction...
George = Previews and Intermission...

It all works together for an enjoyable show...

Book it...

**MichaelWinicki** · 08-03-2004

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Originally Posted by jimmy40

You must really love Keyshawn.

See I don't have a problem with Key... don't ask me why, but I don't.

SoTex · 08-03-2004

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Whoever has the best camp - just like BP says. Simple.

What he said.

kmd24 · 08-03-2004

I'm not as worried about George taking carries from Jones as I am worried about George pushing Lee off the roster. The kid has shown some ability in his two training camps, and I'd hate to lose him. But with BP's washing machine philosophy about RB's, he's probably not too concerned about Lee.

If George's presence allows Jones to return kicks and avoid high numbers of carries in games where the Cowboys are grinding it out on the ground, then I think the team is ultimately better for it.

tyke1doe · 08-03-2004

When the offense takes the field for the first time for the first regular season game, George will be in the backfield.

Jones will get some carries, but he will be eased into the backfield, possibly starting by the fifth game.