Triplets

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by Little Jr

Put to you like this.

Put Manning, James and Harrison on the Cowboys SB teams you woudl have got the same result but with a better passing game.

Put Troy, Mike and Emmitt on the Indy team last year. Same results as they had last year.

I have to disagree. Harrison, a player I really like, had trouble against the physical contact of the Patriots secondary. Irvin thrived in those conditions. He would have been able to get open and would have been the diffference.

Add the fact that Edgerin is not as good as he was his first couple of years in the league due to his leg injuries. Emmitt was in great physical condition and the top of his game the years Dallas won their championships.

Aikman is a big game performer. I have no doubt he would have dug deep to pull out a victory over the Pats.

[LesPaul]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

I have to disagree. Harrison, a player I really like, had trouble against the physical contact of the Patriots secondary. Irvin thrived in those conditions. He would have been able to get open and would have been the diffference.

Add the fact that Edgerin is not as good as he was his first couple of years in the league due to his leg injuries. Emmitt was in great physical condition and the top of his game the years Dallas won their championships.

Aikman is a big game performer. I have no doubt he would have dug deep to pull out a victory over the Pats.

Troy could not win without emmit.

Emmit is much better than EJ, but manning is much better than Troy.

Payton is amazing, the guy can pick apart a D. He pretty much calls his own plays, maybe not in the huddle, but he changes the play at the line almost every play. He is truely a student of the game. I love Troy, I think he was a great QB, but it is not hard to see that payton is better.

[Maikeru-sama]

Originally Posted by Coy

It all comes down to wins, and winning the big games, not many better than our tripplets, so until those three guys in Indy have 3 rings each, theres no comparison, till then, I`ll take Troy, Emmit and Michael any time of the day.

Really? Dan Marino, a quarterback I didnt like personally but admire his ability didnt win any rings, but I think you can talk about him like you talk about Montana, Unitas, Elway, Staubach etc etc.

The prospects of John Elway winning a Super Bowl were very slim at the tail end of his career, and fortunately a great competitor like him was able to get 2 of them. If Elway hadnt won a Super Bowl ring, which I just pointed out could have happened, many would have still said he was one of the best to ever play the position, and righfully so.

It doesnt come down to Super Bowl Rings because you have too many factors in Football.

Take some time to look at the numbers of the 6 guys and that should give you alot of insight about what kind of player they were/was.

Again...

I would still take Aikman over Manning because I am familiar with his history of not winning the big games, which I witnessed first hand in College.

Marvin Harrison is just as good as Irvin (one of my all-time favorite players), and when it is all said and done, barring any injury, I think Harrison will be viewed as one of the best WRs ever.

I would take Emmitt Smith over Edgerin James anyday of the week.

As of now, advantage Dallas, but the players from the Colts are still playing, so the question is really not worth discussing at this point.

- Mike G.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by mickgreen58

As of now, advantage Dallas, but the players from the Colts are still playing, so the question is really not worth discussing at this point.

- Mike G.

Anything is worth discussing. Let's look at how they stack up by number of seasons played.

Michael Irvin(8 seasons), Troy Aikman(7 seasons) and Emmitt Smith(6 seasons) had won 3 Superbowls and played in 4 NFC championship games and all most likely will be in the Hall of Fame.

Currently, Marvin Harrison(8 seasons), Peyton Manning(6 seasons) and Edgerrin James(5 seasons) have 0 Superbowls and 1 AFC championship apperance.

You can't take for granted that these guys will be playing on the same team much less will achieve the same success. At this point, none are a lock for the Hall of Fame either, but hopefully will stay healthy and continue to play well. James' play has seemed to tail off, but now he is healthy again.

As far as defense, Dallas definitley had a better defense than Indy does and it makes some difference. However, the offense showed up during the playoffs and Superbowl runs. They controlled the clock and scored lots of points against some good defenses they faced in the post-season.

[Maikeru-sama]

Too Many Factors.

Before the age of the Salary Cap, you just had a couple of team that had alot of really good players (49ers, Dallas, Buffalo etc etc).

As of now, the league is watered down due to the Salary Cap and Expansion making the team much much more even and thus making it fairly difficult to win a Title. You rarley see teams winning back to back championships and even the Patriots missed the playoffs a year after they had won their first Title.

Mike Irvin (12 Seasons)
750 rec/11904 yards 65 TDs

Marvin Harrison (8 Seasons)
759 rec/10072 yards 83 TDs
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Troy Aikman (12 Seasons)
4715 att/2898 comp 32942 yards 165 TDs 141 Ints

Peyton Manning (6 Seasons)
3383 att /2128 comp 24885 yards 167 TDs 110 Ints

Your telling me that we cant even debate which one of these guys were better because one guy has 3 Rings and the other has 0. Again, because of the many factors in football (era, players, coaches, etc etc) Championships, in my opinion should not be the sole factor.

Again, I would still take Aikman over Manning and Emmitt over James and when it is said and done, probably Harrison over Irvin.

Last post on the subject.

- Mike G.

[LaTunaNostra]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

I have to disagree. Harrison, a player I really like, had trouble against the physical contact of the Patriots secondary. Irvin thrived in those conditions. He would have been able to get open and would have been the diffference.

Add the fact that Edgerin is not as good as he was his first couple of years in the league due to his leg injuries. Emmitt was in great physical condition and the top of his game the years Dallas won their championships.

Aikman is a big game performer. I have no doubt he would have dug deep to pull out a victory over the Pats.

Yes, both Harrison and the cerebral Manning cracked under physical coverage and changing fronts.

I have been reading this thread with much interest, and can't help but want to attach Tuna's skills/talent dichotomy to the debate. Of course the consistent Smith was way beyond James's level of play. On the QBs, I'd give Manning the edge on skills, and Aikman on talent. Same applies to the wideouts, tho it's more difficult assessing them as they are such diverse styles of receiver. Skills are roughly equal, tho different, and talent applies to both their games, but I'd give the talent edge to Irvin as he had an exceptional drive to win and on his famous playmaker ability.

No homerism here. But to me it comes down to who'd I want in a big one, and it's Aikman and Irvin. (and of course Smith). These three demonstrate clear as day Tuna's skills/talent philosophy.

[joseephuss]

We can debate which players are better. Career statistics are part of that discussion and Peyton and Marvin stack up very well and even better to Troy and Michael. By the time they retire, their numbers will be much better. Championships are also part of those stats and hold some big weight. Dallas holds the edge there.

Also playoff performance has to be taken into account. The Dallas triplets all raised their games during the Superbowl runs. So far, Indy's have not played as well during the playoffs. Peyton has started to show more and had a great post season last year until the Pats game.

By the way, I would be very happy right now if Indy's triplets were in Dallas right now.

[dbair1967]

Originally Posted by dargonking999

Now what i've been hearing is that the colts triplets are supposdely better than the cowboys, are at least just as good.
But wait, how many championships have they won? How many did we win?
What are ya'll thoughts on this.

not even close...they have some nice stats but they dont have the wins...the lack of defense excuse is old and tired

other than the two playoff wins vs a fluke team like Denver and the hideous Chiefs defense, none of those three guys has had even remote success in the postseason...

when they win 2 or 3 championships, then we can have that discussion, I;d take Aikman, Emmitt and Irvin any day of the week over the Dolt trio and beat the hell out of thm 9 out of 10 times...

David

[dargonking999]

Here the end of all the debate
Mannin/Marvin are deep threats harrson is fast and can run his routes
EJ-is skilled runs hard but cannot make defendres miss consitently

Aikman/Irvin garenteed first downs irvin goe across the middle takes balls away from everybody
ES- great runner makes people miss and runs hard

[Skeptic]

Originally Posted by c0wb0y_m0nkey

Punctuation. It's your friend.

I think we need to start a board petition to convince him that spellchecker actually helps his point.

When you write like you're ten, it tends to hinder the points you're making.

[dbair1967]

Originally Posted by LesPaul

Troy could not win without emmit.

Emmit is much better than EJ, but manning is much better than Troy.

Payton is amazing, the guy can pick apart a D. He pretty much calls his own plays, maybe not in the huddle, but he changes the play at the line almost every play. He is truely a student of the game. I love Troy, I think he was a great QB, but it is not hard to see that payton is better.

the above is really pretty ludicrous..."Troy cant win w/o Emmitt"...how do you know? because they lost two games to start the 1993 season?...what did Emmitt win without Troy? Or Irvin?

it is hard to see that "Payton is better", Aikman had a much stronger arm than Manning and threw the ball downfield, particularly in the intermediate areas alot more than Manning does...the league, particularly in the early to mid 90's was much better than it is now...Manning is great for fantasy stats, but for whatever reason he doesnt usually transpose those big numbers when he plays vs the really good teams, Aikman did, in fact his numbers were better in the postseason

David

[dargonking999]

Originally Posted by Skeptic

I think we need to start a board petition to convince him that spellchecker actually helps his point.

When you write like you're ten, it tends to hinder the points you're making.

ok i'm making an effort to check my work before i hit submit so please leave me alone about my typing skills

[Little Jr]

Originally Posted by dbair1967

the above is really pretty ludicrous..."Troy cant win w/o Emmitt"...how do you know? because they lost two games to start the 1993 season?...what did Emmitt win without Troy? Or Irvin?

it is hard to see that "Payton is better", Aikman had a much stronger arm than Manning and threw the ball downfield, particularly in the intermediate areas alot more than Manning does...the league, particularly in the early to mid 90's was much better than it is now...Manning is great for fantasy stats, but for whatever reason he doesnt usually transpose those big numbers when he plays vs the really good teams, Aikman did, in fact his numbers were better in the postseason

David

Dallas faired well with out Aikman. I believe we won a playoff game with out him. Garret, Kosar, Pete all did fine. Not as good as Aikman of course but the Cowboys proved they could win with out Aikman.

I'm not saying any QB could have QB that team but we did win without him.