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Old 04-27-2006   #31
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i dont doubt that Carpenter would probably be #2 on that list if you asked our scouts and coaches, but for Goose to have him ranked 5th on that list, brings me to the question is he worth taking at #18, dont forget alot of you praise taking the BPA, which clearly he wont be at 18.
Personally I prefer BPA that fills a need which fits Carpenter to a tee.
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Check out Gil Brandt's list of OLBs.

1 A.J. Hawk
2 Ernie Sims
3 Chad Greenway
4 DeMeco Ryans
5 Roger McIntosh

Wild Cards:
Bobby Carpenter
Thomas Howard

Pat Kirwan's list of OLBs

1. A.J. Hawk -- Round 1
2. Ernie Sims -- Round 1
3. Manny Lawson -- Round 1
4. Kamerion Wimbley -- Round 1
5. Chad Greenway -- Round 1
6. DeMeco Ryans -- Round 1
7. Bobby Carpenter -- Round 2
8. Thomas Howard -- Round 2
9. Jon Alston -- Round 2
10. Roger McIntosh -- Round 3

Mayock's List of OLBs:

1. A.J. Hawk, Ohio State
2. Ernie Sims, Florida State
3. Chad Greenway, Iowa
4. Kamerion Wimbley, Florida State (OLB)
5. D'Qwell Jackson, Maryland
6. Rocky McIntosh, Miami (Fla.)
7. DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
8. Bobby Carpenter, Ohio State

It's not uncommon for Carpenter to be listed this low. I don't think he's a second round pick, but I do think it's a reach at #18. I think the Carp-love around here has perhaps exaggerated his talents just a tad.
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I think the Carp-love around here has perhaps exaggerated his talents just a tad.
As has the Manny-love.
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As has the Manny-love.
I agree. I would not mind seeing Dallas get either guy but it is starting to get funny around here as people are trying to push their guy as the one we have to take and knock the other player as not worthy of the pick.
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I agree. I would not mind seeing Dallas get either guy but it is starting to get funny around here as people are trying to push their guy as the one we have to take and knock the other player as not worthy of the pick.
Yeah, that's getting old fast.
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Yeah, that's getting old fast.
Which is why no matter who we select this weekend I can promise you there will be some complaining around here Monday.
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Which is why no matter who we select this weekend I can promise you there will be some complaining around here Monday.
Monday? I think Saturday 5 seconds after the pick is announced.

So glad I won't see it.
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Monday? I think Saturday 5 seconds after the pick is announced.

So glad I won't see it.
I only said Monday because I'm not going to bother coming to this site on draft day.
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Gosselin has Carpenter rated as the 5th best OLB in the draft, so i ask you, is he worth taking at 18....btw here is his list on OLB

5. Bobby Carpenter Ohio State
Did someone say something about Carpenter ...

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=c31c79fa...e6a3897&f=rss33

NOte: Check Out NFL Sports ...page 11 for the clip!



Good Hunting ...or Tally-Ho! (Hunt cry "the prey has been sighted") " Tallio, Hoix, Hark, Forward,"
which is a corruption of the French hunter's call. Four hundred years ago the French hunter encouraged his dogs with the musical cry of "Thia-hilaud a qui forheur!" sometimes printed "Tya-hillaut a qui forheur!" From this the English manufactured "Tallio, hoix, hark, forward."

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Really it's all about the system the player is put whether is a QB or a OLB, so again if we are indeed sticking with a 3-4 defense then draft a player that really suits that!!
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It's not uncommon for Carpenter to be listed this low. I don't think he's a second round pick, but I do think it's a reach at #18. I think the Carp-love around here has perhaps exaggerated his talents just a tad.

That's my main reservation about him. I think he's likely a reach at 18. The deal is that based on some of the teams below us, like NE and SF, who both may want a LB, he'll probably go higher than he's ranked.

The question is whether he's the best player for us at 18. Even if he's our top LB at that point, we need to look at the other positions as well. It comes down to whether we want the best player available, or the best linebacker available.
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Did someone say something about Carpenter ...

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=c31c79fa...e6a3897&f=rss33

NOte: Check Out NFL Sports ...page 11 for the clip!
Couldn't find anything on Carpenter. Any way you can post the actual link?
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Here's what I have ...


Ernie Sims Florida State http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=305a14cd...654ccde&f=rss33


Chad Greenway Iowa http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=3e...2f47a1&f=rss33



Good Hunting ...or Tally-Ho! (Hunt cry "the prey has been sighted") " Tallio, Hoix, Hark, Forward,"
which is a corruption of the French hunter's call. Four hundred years ago the French hunter encouraged his dogs with the musical cry of "Thia-hilaud a qui forheur!" sometimes printed "Tya-hillaut a qui forheur!" From this the English manufactured "Tallio, hoix, hark, forward."
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Couldn't find anything on Carpenter. Any way you can post the actual link?
Sorry about that Hos ...

1) Hit NFL Draft (located on menu to the left)

2) Select "view all"

...http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=c3...6a3897&f=rss33

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Good Hunting ...or Tally-Ho! (Hunt cry "the prey has been sighted") " Tallio, Hoix, Hark, Forward,"
which is a corruption of the French hunter's call. Four hundred years ago the French hunter encouraged his dogs with the musical cry of "Thia-hilaud a qui forheur!" sometimes printed "Tya-hillaut a qui forheur!" From this the English manufactured "Tallio, hoix, hark, forward."
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Bingo Inman. Wouldnt Howard at say 29 in a trade down and adding a pick be more valuable than Carpenter @ 18?

How about Gocong,Hawkins,Mark Anderson,Mcclover and some others? Is there that big a difference from Carpenter than those guys? I love Carpenter but not at 18. I would rather go in another direction.

Wouldnt drafting a guy ahead of your rankings indicate a "reach"? Whose to say these rankings arent very close to teams' boards?

Merriman may have been the top rated guy and he may have been on the Boys board but he had these certain guys...you know....the Postons representing him. The Cowboys dont deal with the Postons.
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