EMMITT v. BARRY - Dallas Cowboys Forum

MONT17 · 07-16-2006

the SKins board has a 13 page debate of EMMIT v. BARRY and since this is all Hypothetical I wanted to add a little twist. You know the rhetoric of those fans, who EMMITT made careers rushing v. their teams. Some respect the POWER some belittle it by saying it was his OLINE...

A redskin fan actually said he would fear BARRY more with those COWBOY teams than he did EMMITT who was I guess a product of the system!!! My first thought was he didnt understand fooball but then I went with it and tried not to dismiss it as lack of knowlege about the NFL but about personalities!!!

Now before we bring up the tired old comparison in this exercise in monotany I wanted to take this fantansy and turn it into reality based on what I know. based on the psyche of BARRY and JIMMY!!!

If BARRY played for the COWBOYS during the same time as EMMITT, what type of player would he have been... IMHO BARRY would have been traded by JIMMY JOHNSON for about 10 or 12 maybe more draft picks and some players going into his contract season... BARRY running style did not fit the man and his VISION let alone the NFC EAST...

BARRY had problems with BOBBY ROSS he loved WAYNE FONTS, why? IF BARRY quit on ROSS he would have tried to quit on JIMMY 2 weeks into TC or forced a trade. BUT JIMMY was too smart for that, if u didnt fit his system u were gone, PERIOD. Big name trades like HERSCHEL and LOCKHART would have been accompanied by BARRY SANDERS!!!!

then ADD into the mix STRONG PERSONALITIES... like IRVIN, AIKMAN, MOOSE, HALEY, Jr. NATE among others, BARRYs bla-se "ah shucks" personality would have not mixed well with a group of guys who despised losing and cared nothing about STATS and ESPN HIGHLIGHTS!!!

other key points that would have expedited the BARRY SANDERS trade, much like the COLTS traded MARSHALL FAULK!!!

1. ALL PRO FB was of no use with BARRYs running style.
2. 3rd and 1 would be nightmares with no QB sneak in the playbook.
3. poor playoff performances time and time again.
4. poor rushing yards on grass and cold weather.
5. lack of catching and blocking ability.
6. NO GOALLINE RB (I'm sorry but I dont see "TOUCHDOWN" TOMMY VARDELL scoring 25 TDs for the COWBOYS of the mid 90s)

so besides the obvious football issues (just a few listed above) BARRYs personality would not have fit in DALLAS so all of u BARRY apologist now that u finnaly realize he is not coming back u can stop with the fantasy of if he PLAYED for JIMMY JOHNSON!!!

Now I guess we can talk about who JIMMY would have traded him to and for what?

jksmith269 · 07-16-2006

A few years back ESPN did an interview with the Lions O line during Barrys time and they hated blocking for him because he rarely went where the play was desgined to go. So everyones argument about him behind our line is moot if he wouldn't have run where he was supposed to.

jazzcat22 · 07-16-2006

Emmitt = The Greatest Ever

Debate Over !!!!

EMMITTnROY · 07-16-2006

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Originally Posted by jazzcat22

Emmitt = The Greatest Ever

Debate Over !!!!

the kid 05 · 07-16-2006

i don't get the point of comparing the two, they were polar opposites in everything....and the one who was the better is/was/always will be on top. case closed

Yeagermeister · 07-16-2006

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Originally Posted by jazzcat22

Emmitt = The Greatest Ever

Debate Over !!!!

Tell it to this guy

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/...ad.php?t=57999

ravidubey · 07-16-2006

Emmitt Smith never ran for -8 yards in a playoff game. ENOUGH SAID.

BWT, 2002 just called, it wants its thread back.

daniukid · 07-16-2006

If you wanted to win championships- your man was Smith. All the Detroits, Seattles, Zonas of the world can have the flash called Sanders...but no championships. It's that simple.

Bizwah · 07-16-2006

I think Barry would've been a very good back under us.....I don't think he would've been any better, or any worse than he was.

As a team, I don't think we'd have won three SBs in five years. I'm not sure we would even win one.

Why?

It was Emmitt's drive that fueled our running game. It was Emmitt's drive that willed us to victory in '93 against the Giants. It was Emmitt's competitive drive that willed us to victory in SB 28.

And that's really the difference between the two backs.

People can say that Barry was more electric, faster, dynamic, prettier, etc. But Emmitt had it where it counts.

Heart, desire, competitiveness......He had these qualities in spades.

Barry seriously lacked these qualities.

Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't have wanted Barry, but Emmitt was a RB that won us championships.

2233boys · 07-16-2006

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Originally Posted by Bizwah

I think Barry would've been a very good back under us.....I don't think he would've been any better, or any worse than he was.

As a team, I don't think we'd have won three SBs in five years. I'm not sure we would even win one.

Why?

It was Emmitt's drive that fueled our running game. It was Emmitt's drive that willed us to victory in '93 against the Giants. It was Emmitt's competitive drive that willed us to victory in SB 28.

And that's really the difference between the two backs.

People can say that Barry was more electric, faster, dynamic, prettier, etc. But Emmitt had it where it counts.

Heart, desire, competitiveness......He had these qualities in spades.

Barry seriously lacked these qualities.

Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't have wanted Barry, but Emmitt was a RB that won us championships.

Nice post...

I saw some posts in this thread that alluded to this, but did you guys know that in the time that Emmitt and Barry's career coincided that Barry always, (every year) had more negative rushing yardage. Barry was -1, -2, -1, +25 type back. Barry danced around in the backfield trying to make something happen, Emmitt would hit the hole no matter how small, made would be tacklers miss and take off, take a hit spin out of it and go for more.

Emmitt was awesome at picking up blocks, and protecting Troy, Barry not so much. Both were ok at out of the backfield catching the ball. Barry was a more electric runner. Emmitt was the more effective runner.

Personally, I could see someone saying that Barry was a better runner and have him ahead of Emmitt on their list, in fact I could see someone having Emmitt at 4th on their list. No lower or they are just really stupid.

My list

Payton
Smith
Sanders
Brown
Dorsett

Future · 07-16-2006

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Originally Posted by jksmith269

A few years back ESPN did an interview with the Lions O line during Barrys time and they hated blocking for him because he rarely went where the play was desgined to go. So everyones argument about him behind our line is moot if he wouldn't have run where he was supposed to.

speaking of which, i saw a stat a while back on ESPN or something saying he had more carries for losses than anybody ever or something to that extent. emmit however very rarely was dropped behind the line. It reminds me of julius b/c hes much a barry sanders like runner, threat to breakt he big one but will lose yards like his rookie season. last year he was more of a downhill back and he seemed to lose some of his explosive ability.

2233boys · 07-16-2006

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Originally Posted by Future 585

speaking of which, i saw a stat a while back on ESPN or something saying he had more carries for losses than anybody ever or something to that extent. emmit however very rarely was dropped behind the line. It reminds me of julius b/c hes much a barry sanders like runner, threat to breakt he big one but will lose yards like his rookie season. last year he was more of a downhill back and he seemed to lose some of his explosive ability.

I just posted that.

See above

Future · 07-16-2006

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Originally Posted by 2233boys

I just posted that.

See above

lol, either i skimmed over that or we were posting at the same time

either way you beat me to it...good work

2much2soon · 07-16-2006

Plus Emmitt once hit a golf ball 394 yards.
Thats right, 394 yards.
Has nothing to do with this debate but I heard about it as I watched the celeb golf thing in Tahoe.
Even altitude-adjusted thats a monster drive. For anybody.
Not trying to hijack this thread but its pretty cool watching some of those guys play golf.

ghst187 · 07-16-2006

They are very different styles and each bring something a bit different to the table.
I grew up near Stillwater and still am a very big Ok St fan. I saw Barry play in college several times (at the stadium and every other time on tv). I used to think that Barry was the better back but looking back I've changed my mind.
Barry was all flash and sizzle. Barry came out in goaline and short yardage situations, as well as definite passing plays.
Emmitt was a first down back, a second down back, a third down back, a phenomenal blocker and pass protection guy (probably one of the very best RBs at it, ever), short yardage, long yardage, and a lethal receiving threat out of the backfield. Emmitt did everything and did everything at the highest level. Emmitt was far more a complete back and seems to have been the much better teammate and most importantly...a true leader & champion.

For every highlight reel run of Barry's, you could find 2 or 3 negative yardage carries of his. For every highlight reel run of Emmitt's, you could find 3 or 4 4-8 yard runs, a pass reception, and two pass protection blocks that kept Troy upright.
I love Barry, but I'd take Emmitt on my team over Barry everyday and twice on Sundays, (and 3x in the Super Bowl)