NFL Live and Cold Pizza talks about Aikman

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by cowheel

I would have loved to see what Moon in his prime could have done with a team around him like the Cowboys of the early 90s.

When comparing 2 great QBs, it's hard to say who was really the better QB because too many circumstances are involved.

Warren Moon NEVER played with a team anywhere NEAR as talented as the Cowboys of the early 90s.

Nowhere near - and anybody who says different is drunk.

Never with a RB like Emmitt...
Never with a WR like Mike...
Never with a TE like Novacek
Never with an OL like that early 90s o-line.

I would agree with you on everything except the OL. Houston acutally had a pretty darn good OL in those days.

[The30YardSlant]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I would agree with you on everything except the OL. Houston acutally had a pretty darn good OL in those days.

But Dallas had maybe the best ever

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31

I don't think many will argue that Aikman was better than Farve. The best RB Farve ever played with was Dorsey Levens and he never had a lick of talent in the receiving corp save Antonio Freeman.

That's really not true either. Edger Bennet was not too bad. He also played with a guy named Robert Brooks who was OK. Sterling Sharpe, was as good a WR as there was in the league, and that includes Irvin and Rice, when he was playing. Jackie Harris was an All Pro type TE, Mark Chmura was also a very good TE right up to the time they found him on top of the baby sitter. Ahman Green has been pretty good when healthy, Donald Driver and Bubba Franks.

Farve has had some talent around him.

[ZeroClub]

Another note Skip, even said that Steve Walsh, could've won a SB, because he was clearly better than Troy, lucky for Skip, I wasn't Mark Tunei, rest his soul because I would've bust his head wide open on that plane.

Steve Walsh couldn't carry Aikman's suitcase.

Walsh couldn't carry anybody's suitcase. He didn't have the arm strength.

[The30YardSlant]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

That's really not true either. Edger Bennet was not too bad. He also played with a guy named Robert Brooks who was OK. Sterling Sharpe, was as good a WR as there was in the league, and that includes Irvin and Rice, when he was playing. Jackie Harris was an All Pro type TE, Mark Chmura was also a very good TE right up to the time they found him on top of the baby sitter. Ahman Green has been pretty good when healthy, Donald Driver and Bubba Franks.

Farve has had some talent around him.

Sterling Sharpe was on the downswing when Farve began starting in GB and was gone by the time GB was making NFC Title game and SB appearences. Robert Brooks was an average WR. Neither TE you mentioned was as good as Novacheck, and any current Packer players should eb thrown out the window because they have sucked.

[ringmaster]

Originally Posted by ZeroClub

Steve Walsh couldn't carry Aikman's suitcase.

Walsh couldn't carry anybody's suitcase. He didn't have the arm strength.

Skip, really didn't say Steve Walsh, by name but he said that Aikman, wasn't starter material the first three years of his career and that's the impression I got from Skip, I just us Walsh, as bait really.

[Aikmaniac]

Whatever people.

We're splitting hairs here. The fact is that we had one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game on our team and, like it or not, he led the Cowboys to 3 SB victories.

And to put icing on the cake, he's getting enshrined in the HALL OF FAME this weekend.

I'd take Troy as my QB any day of the week. Hands down.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31

But Dallas had maybe the best ever

History will tell but right now, I'd be surprised if we had more then 1 Guaranteed OL in the HOF. Maybe two when it's all said and done with but that's iffy. At one time, Houston had Bruce Matthews, Dean Steinkuhler, Mike Munchak and Doug Dawson. At least two of those guys are going to be HOF players. Lets also remember that he played with some pretty decent WRs. Haywood Jeffries, Webster Slaughter, Ernest Givens, Drew Hill, Tim Smith. Mike Rozier was a decent RB too. In Minnesota he had Chris Hinton, Todd Steussie, Jeff Chisty, Randall McDanial and Korey Stringer. He had Cris Carter, Amp Lee, Robert Smith, Jake Reed, Qadry Ismail, Terry Allen and Steve Jordan. In Seattke, he had Walter Jones, Kevin Mawae, Kevin Glover, Ricky Waters, Joey Galloway, Mike Pritchard, James McKnight and Chris Warren. I won't include KC only because he wasn't really the starter there. Still, those are some pretty talented players he played with.

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31

Warren Moon was more physcially gifted than Aikman was was a better athlete,

Sorry, but I have to call BS on that.

If you want to say Moon threw a prettier pass, then maybe.

[rcaldw]

All I'll tell you is this. Today I was going through all my VCR tapes of past Cowboys games. I watched part of the 1995 NFC Championship game, I watched tough games that Dallas won during the Barry Switzer era, and what I saw was a QB that I would take over Favre, over Marino and Warren Moon isn't even in the discussion. Anyone who would take Moon over Aikman is a fantasy football fan.

In the 95 Championship game Favre threw the game away with a HUGE interception, right to Larry Brown, not under pressure, rolling right. THAT is the stuff that separated Aikman from Favre.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31

Sterling Sharpe was on the downswing when Farve began starting in GB and was gone by the time GB was making NFC Title game and SB appearences. Robert Brooks was an average WR. Neither TE you mentioned was as good as Novacheck, and any current Packer players should eb thrown out the window because they have sucked.

Really?

Favre's first year in GB was 92. That year, Sharpe posted 108 Rec's, 1461 yards for and average of 13.5 YPC and 13 TDs.

In 93, he posted 112 Rec's, 1274 yards for 11.4 YPC and 11 TDs.

In 94, he posted 94 REC's, 1119 yards for 11.9 YPC and 18 TDs,

In 95, he was hurt and retired. I'd say he was far from on his down side cause Sharp never had a down year in his whole NFL career.

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Sorry, but I have to call BS on that.

If you want to say Moon threw a prettier pass, then maybe.

I'm not sure I would go that far.

Moon and Favre played in offenses that utilized a lot shorter patterns and threw the ball a ton in the red zone. Thus, their QB ratings should be higher since they'll greatly increase their chances of completing passes and throwing for TD's.

Aikman played in a system that used extremely long passing patterns and were very timing based. But, he was still uncannily accurate. Peter King made a point about Aikman's accuracy, but the fact is not only was Aikman accurate, he had a CANNON for an arm. A perfect example was the Skins game where we beat them in OT with a bomb to Ismail. It was small, flick of the wrists for Troy and he made that long throw look rather easy.

Rich..............

[jackrussell]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitta31

Warren Moon was more physcially gifted than Aikman was was a better athlete, but not anywhere close to Troy's stature as a pure QB. The same can be said for guys like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham. More athletic and better football players, but not better QBs. None of them were as clutch as Aikman.

That being said, it would have been interesting to see what a talent like Cunningham could have done with Troy's amazing team.

Hmmmmm.......I do recall the day when you said Cunningham was a better QB than Aikman.

Good to see you've wised up.

[SultanOfSix]

Originally Posted by jackrussell

Hmmmmm.......I do recall the day when you said Cunningham was a better QB than Aikman.

Good to see you've wised up.

Yeah, he must have been suffering from Redskinfanasininitis.

[the kid 05]

Warren played with Randy Moss for a season or two, that right there inflated his stats. Warren is far less the qb the troy is. only thing Warren had that topped Troy was his mobility.