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**ABQCOWBOY** · 08-04-2006

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Warren played with Randy Moss for a season or two, that right there inflated his stats. Warren is far less the qb the troy is. only thing Warren had that topped Troy was his mobility.

I don't agree here. I believe Warren was one of the very best pure passers I ever saw. Better then Aikman where this is concerned. He didn't have the laser type arm Aikman had but his was plenty strong when he was young. Moon really was a great player. I would take Aikman over Moon but Moon was an excellent QB IMO.

ringmaster · 08-04-2006

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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I don't agree here. I believe Warren was one of the very best pure passers I ever saw. Better then Aikman where this is concerned. He didn't have the laser type arm Aikman had but his was plenty strong when he was young. Moon really was a great player. I would take Aikman over Moon but Moon was an excellent QB IMO.

No doubt, Moon, was a very good QB.

Aikmaniac · 08-04-2006

When did Warren Moon have mobility? Troy, before his back problems, had decent mobility.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 08-04-2006

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Originally Posted by Aikmaniac

When did Warren Moon have mobility? Troy, before his back problems, had decent mobility.

Troy could move around, Warren Moon had mobility. I never really considered Aikman a mobile QB, even when he was at OU. He could move but he never had the fluidity or really, IMO, the imagination to be able to use mobility as a true weapon. Aikman, IMO, was a perfectionist. He wasn't a guy who improvised well. To me, that is the real difference between Aikman and Favre. Aikman was disciplined in the extreme. Favre adlibed a great deal of the time.

Screw The Hall · 08-04-2006

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Originally Posted by the kid 05

Warren played with Randy Moss for a season or two, that right there inflated his stats. Warren is far less the qb the troy is. only thing Warren had that topped Troy was his mobility.

Warren Moon never played with Randy Moss. Moon's last year in Minnesota was 1996, Moss wasn't drafted until 1998 by the Vikes.

His stats were never padded, in fact he was robbed of stats by not being drafted because of a racial bias. Had he been a 1st round pick like he should have been, and not been forced to play in Canada for the 1st 6 years of his career, his stats would have literally blown away everyone elses.

That's not to say I think he was better than Aikman, I don't, but Warren deserves this honor as well.

riggo · 08-04-2006

aikman deserves to be in, no question. he was money in his prime.

eh- nevermind. different discussion....

joseephuss · 08-04-2006

Aikman played with lots of talent, but he also stepped it up in the playoffs. His QB rating is higher in the post season than in the regular season. Moon's post season rating also is higher than his regular season rating. Favre's and Young's post season ratings are lower than their regular season ratings. They still have good numbers, but they are below what they produced outside of crunch time.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of those 4 QBs and it comes to personal preference as to which one you prefer. I just don't see how anyone can look down on Aikman. And I am not the biggest Aikman fan. And for Bayless to say that Walsh was better than Aikman is ridiculous. If Walsh was that good, he would have had at least moderate success in the NFL. He had no success. Walsh was not as good as Steve Beurlein. He is probably on par with Jason Garrett.

**ABQCOWBOY** · 08-04-2006

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Originally Posted by joseephuss

Aikman played with lots of talent, but he also stepped it up in the playoffs. His QB rating is higher in the post season than in the regular season. Moon's post season rating also is higher than his regular season rating. Favre's and Young's post season ratings are lower than their regular season ratings. They still have good numbers, but they are below what they produced outside of crunch time.

I don't think you can go wrong with any of those 4 QBs and it comes to personal preference as to which one you prefer. I just don't see how anyone can look down on Aikman. And I am not the biggest Aikman fan. And for Bayless to say that Walsh was better than Aikman is ridiculous. If Walsh was that good, he would have had at least moderate success in the NFL. He had no success. Walsh was not as good as Steve Beurlein. He is probably on par with Jason Garrett.

Aughhh Josee........

See, there ya go again. You've just done a disservice to Jason Garrett.

Just can not take you anywhere.

bbgun · 08-04-2006

People forget that Troy played on bad teams at the beginning and end of his career. He wasn't always surrounded by incredible talent, and he never played in a pass-first offense.

bbgun · 08-04-2006

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Another note Skip, even said that Steve Walsh, could've won a SB, because he was clearly better than Troy

No way. He's not that insane.

joseephuss · 08-04-2006

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No way. He's not that insane.

No, he is just that big of a jerk.

peplaw06 · 08-04-2006

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Really?

Favre's first year in GB was 92. That year, Sharpe posted 108 Rec's, 1461 yards for and average of 13.5 YPC and 13 TDs.

In 93, he posted 112 Rec's, 1274 yards for 11.4 YPC and 11 TDs.

In 94, he posted 94 REC's, 1119 yards for 11.9 YPC and 18 TDs,

In 95, he was hurt and retired. I'd say he was far from on his down side cause Sharp never had a down year in his whole NFL career.

Sterling Sharpe never experienced a "downswing." His injury cut short his career in his prime.

peplaw06 · 08-04-2006

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People forget that Troy played on bad teams at the beginning and end of his career. He wasn't always surrounded by incredible talent, and he never played in a pass-first offense.

The funny thing is when Skip brought up the fact that Aikman couldn't do it on his own, that jack@$$ of a host, said, "Yeah what was Aikman's record as a rookie before all that talent got there? He couldn't do it by himself." As if that had anything to do with it... How many rookie QBs get thrown into the NFL their first season from the first game and have performed??

The thing that pisses me off is no one else ever comes up in these types of conversations, it's usually just Aikman, Emmitt, and Irvin. You never hear Montana, Young, Elway.... and even Peyton Manning. That guy had a trio dubbed "the triplets" by many and he still hasn't won the big one. Yet he is typically named the best pure QB (or top 2) in the game today.

Woods · 08-04-2006

What I remember most about T Aikman was that he was clutch in the playoffs.

In the playoffs and the Super Bowl, he was simply money.

I never got that "cringe" feeling with Aikman like "I hope he doesn't screw it up" or "now we're doomed" in the big games. He was always in control.

You can't really ask for more.

**big dog cowboy** · 08-04-2006

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Originally Posted by ringmaster

there was Skip, as usual dissing Aikman

I didn't care what Bayless said before today or after today. He is a Cowboy hater and I do not value his opinion in any way shape or form.