NFL.com Kirwan: How prospects stack up from a 3-4 perspective

[Big Dakota]

Originally Posted by theogt

Wednesday. I'm not sure I'd want to do much if I were him. Maybe just do LB drills.

Pretty hard NOT to stand on those numbers. His daddy couldn't dream of those

[sago1]

H's also got L/S ability which saves us a lot to be used elsewhere. Currently Ladocouver is our L/S but that's all he does. With that extra slot, we could keep an additional OL, WR, LB.

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by Big Dakota

I'm doing a mock and i'm considering DeOssie in the 3rd, but i have a hard time passing on some of the DE's Brian Robison, Dan Bazuin, and Jay Moore.

so many tough choices...

[5mics]

Originally Posted by jobberone

I don't like the idea of picking him.

We can find people with the same skills, size and athleticism from big schools.

I'm tired of reaches. Obviously guys from small schools can play but I like the odds better by staying with big name schools.

Agreed! For example: Brian Robison > Zak DeOssie.....

[jackrussell]

Originally Posted by theebs

Yes steve de-ossie is his dad and he was a cowboy, until He decided to mouth off to dave wanstedt. Jimmy and Dave werent having it and they sent him packing.

he ended up with parcells in ny.

Much like everson walls, he and jimmy hated each other and everson talking to roy green after a cardinals game got jimmy all ticked off and then everson was sent packing.

He ended up with parcells in ny.

Yes...I have a Steve DeOssie story.....

In the late 80's, when Landry was still coach....my wife and I with 2 of our friends traveled to Detroit for the weekend to see the Cowboys/Lions game.

We went out to dinner that Saturday evening.....and at a large table next to us none other than Steve DeOssie. While there were quite a few folks sitting there, Steve pretty much kept the waitress busy just in bringing him bottles of beer.

We found that to be amusing...a night before the game...the guy put down way more than you would expect.

Well, it wasn't long afterward, that DeOssie either admitted publicly, or they had some sort of intervention about his 'drinking problem'. I don't recall if he went through any rehab or what....but we certainly weren't stunned at this revelation.

[sago1]

There's also the possibility that deOssi can play both ILB & OLB (also L/S) which adds to his value. The loss of Fowler makes us thin at LB so we need fill this position but don't forget Fowler was an undrafted FA so maybe we can fill it with similar player and not use a high pick on him--unless we really believe we need replacement for Bradie James. Currently we've got Ware, Ellis, Carpenter, Burnett & Glymph as our OLB but only Ayodele & James as inside altho Carpenter could slide in there. Also is there possibility Oliver Hoyte could be moved back to ILB from FB or was he also an OLB? We probably will add an LB at whichever position Phillips thinks is more needed or maybe even both ILB & OLB.

[vicjagger]

Originally Posted by jrumann59

I wonder if the DeOssie kids has any relations to the Ex-Giant Steve DeOssie

Here's a hint:

He has long-snapping skills like his father Steve (former NFL player) and he knows the game.

[Chocolate Lab]

Hard for me to take a Kirwan evaluation seriously after last year when he proclaimed that Darnell Bing would make a perfect free safety for the Dallas Cowboys. Kirwan claimed that even though Bing was seen as more a strong safety, he'd carefully studied all the USC tapes and Bing was actually better as a centerfielding free safety as a freshman.

The NFL promptly made him a linebacker.

But hey, maybe we'll take a look at that Paul "Solari" guy for nosetackle.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Hard for me to take a Kirwan evaluation seriously after last year when he proclaimed that Darnell Bing would make a perfect free safety for the Dallas Cowboys. Kirwan claimed that even though Bing was seen as more a strong safety, he'd carefully studied all the USC tapes and Bing was actually better as a centerfielding free safety as a freshman.

The NFL promptly made him a linebacker.

But hey, maybe we'll take a look at that Paul "Solari" guy for nosetackle.

Kirwan's an unabashed USC homer. Don't trust anything he says about USC players.

[tomson75]

Originally Posted by 5mics

Agreed! For example: Brian Robison > Zak DeOssie.....

Weird. Someone pointing out a Longhorn!

There is virtually no difference between these two other than their level of experience. It's not like they're being asked to be QB.

Zak DeOssie

Combine Invite? Yes
Height: 6045
Weight: 250
40 Yrd Dash: 4.58
20 Yrd Dash: 2.66
10 Yrd Dash: 1.56
Wonderlic:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 26
Vertical Jump: 34 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'2"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.22
3-Cone Drill: 6.89

Brian Robison

Combine Invite? Yes
Height: 6031
Weight: 259
40 Yrd Dash: 4.67
20 Yrd Dash: 2.65
10 Yrd Dash: 1.49
Wonderlic:
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 27
Vertical Jump: 40 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'1"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.26
3-Cone Drill: 6.89

The biggest difference is that there is a possibility of getting DeOssie on day 2.

day 2/Zak DeOssie > day 1/Brian Robison

[gollum]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

There are other players who fit the bill for the 3-4 style of defense, but where you take them with so many looking for them is a tougher question. The men running the draft process for New England (Scott Pioli), San Diego (A.J. Smith), Pittsburgh (Kevin Colbert), Cleveland (Phil Savage), the Jets (Terry Bradway), Dallas (Stephen Jones) and San Francisco (Scott McCloughan) would love to find some key players later in the draft, but I think those days are long gone.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/10066679

Nice read...but I wasn't aware of this interesting tidbit(or opinion as it may be). I would have thought Jerry, Wade, and possibly Ireland would have more say so in running the draft process.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by gollum

Nice read...but I wasn't aware of this interesting tidbit(or opinion as it may be). I would have thought Jerry, Wade, and possibly Ireland would have more say so in running the draft process.

Wow, nice catch. Pat was extremely close to Parcells, so maybe he knows something we don't, such as possibly the GM duties re: the draft being handed over to Stephen.

[ThreeSportStar80]

If the Cowboys pass on someone like Anthony Spencer at 22 then I'd personally go to Dallas and slap Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips...

[gollum]

Originally Posted by ThreeSportStar80

If the Cowboys pass on someone like Anthony Spencer at 22 then I'd personally go to Dallas and slap Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips...

Make sure you video it and post it on youtube.

[Big Dakota]

Originally Posted by theogt

Wow, nice catch. Pat was extremely close to Parcells, so maybe he knows something we don't, such as possibly the GM duties re: the draft being handed over to Stephen.

Ive always been under the impression Stephen is the Harvard educated money man. Not sure what he knows about talent evaluation, but i'd bet Ireland and Wade have forgotten more about evaluating players than SJ knows. Just a guees but maybe this reference was to who does the contracs?