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Old 03-18-2007   #16
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Nothing wrong with owning a gun, I carry mine everywhere I go...
i wouldn't draft you either
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YES! I would draft him. The on-field incident was terrible. He was punished so I move on. The off-field incident was justifiable. He was licensed to carry a gun; what was he supposed to do, stand by and let the assailants kill his friend? He did the right thing there.....
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BTW I'd trade up for Landry as he can play any DB position. A great backup at SS, a great immediately starting FS, and a backup CB as well as nickel/dime player who can play the slot.

Too bad we can't get him.

Nelson doesn't have Meriweather's talent but he's fast and will go ahead of him. He'll likely be there at 22.

Merriweather is a stud. He can play any position in the secondary and plays with something you cant teach.

Emotion and intensity.

90% of our defense is still trying to figure out what that is. He is a born leader that not only leads by example (on the field) but leads by his mouth.

For some reason our defense has too many timid people that prefer to lead by example and not vocally. Merriweather can talk with the best of them, but can back it up. He ins't afraid to use his 5'11 body to tackle anyone. He will stick his nose it even if he will be ran over. Has a nose for the ball and is a true ballhawk. Nelson might be rated higher but he doesnt play as big.

Sure the fighting and the gun incident have drawn red flags but that might be in our favor. This will surely cause him to drop and hopefully with proper positioning, he can be had for a early second round pick.
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Actually this is whom I have us drafting 2nd. Peterson 1st, Merriweather 2nd, and both requiring trade-ups, obviously. Because as far as him slipping to us in the 2nd, I just don't see it- we'll have to go grab him, maybe even dipping into the backend of round 1. Then after day 1 we'll come out of this with 2 starters.

I'm just tired of us picking "project" players on day 1 and I'm hoping Jerry is too now that Bill is gone. JuJo 3 years ago and Carp last year, just seems like a waste of a top two round pick. We can get guys like those in later rounds, we should be aiming for immediate starters in the first 2 rounds, no exceptions.

As far as his possible problems he could bring to the table- uh, the last time I took count, we had coaches carrying guns and being caught, too. As far as his on the field problems- uh, he's sticking up for his teammates, that there, too, works for me. The guy can be a starter right out of the gate for us, bottom line.
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BTW I'd trade up for Landry as he can play any DB position. A great backup at SS, a great immediately starting FS, and a backup CB as well as nickel/dime player who can play the slot.

Too bad we can't get him.

Nelson doesn't have Meriweather's talent but he's fast and will go ahead of him. He'll likely be there at 22.
Nelson is in play as early as Carolina. Carolina fans are talking about Nelson or Willis. For that matter, if someone picks Landry earlier than 10, I could see Atlanta picking Nelson. It's happened in my mocks. For example, this one, using a recent War Room top 99:

This mock draft was made by rubysim.rb on 2007-03-18

Round 1.

1. Oakland Raiders select JaMarcus Russell, QB.
2. Detroit Lions select Amobi Okoye, DT.
3. Cleveland Browns select Joe Thomas, OT.
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Calvin Johnson, WR.
5. Arizona Cardinals select LaRon Landry, S.
6. Washington Redskins select Gaines Adams, DE.
7. Minnesota Vikings select Jamaal Anderson, DE.
8. Houston Texans select Adrian Peterson, RB.
9. Miami Dolphins select Leon Hall, CB.
10. Atlanta Falcons select Reggie Nelson, S.
11. San Francisco 49ers select Paul Posluszny, OLB.
12. Buffalo Bills select Aaron Ross, CB.
13. St Louis Rams select Lawrence Timmons, OLB.
14. Carolina Panthers select Brandon Meriweather, S.
15. Pittsburgh Steelers select Rufus Alexander, OLB.
16. Green Bay Packers select Ted Ginn Jr., WR.
17. Jacksonville Jaguars select Charles Johnson, DE.
18. Cinncinnati Bengals select Alan Branch, DT.
19. Tennessee Titans select DeMarcus Tyler, DT.
20. New York Giants select Dwayne Bowe, WR.
21. Denver Broncos select Aaron Rouse, S.
22. Dallas Cowboys select Patrick Willis, ILB.
23. Kansas City Chiefs select Daymeion Hughes, CB.
24. New England Patriots select Tanard Jackson, CB.
25. New York Jets select Marcus McCauley, CB.
26. Philadelphia Eagles select Jarvis Moss, DE.
27. New Orleans Saints select Jon Beason, OLB.
28. New England Patriots select Sidney Rice, WR.
29. Baltimore Ravens select Justin Durant, ILB.
30. San Diego Chargers select Justin Blalock, G.
31. Chicago Bears select Tony Ugoh, OT.
32. Indianapolis Colts select Ray McDonald, DT.

Round 2.

33. Oakland Raiders select Levi Brown, OT.
34. Detroit Lions select Zach Miller, TE.
35. Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Kevin Kolb, QB.
36. Cleveland Browns select Josh Wilson, CB.
37. New York Jets select Greg Olsen, TE.
38. Arizona Cardinals select Darrelle Revis, CB.
39. Houston Texans select Josh Beekman, C.
40. Miami Dolphins select Ben Grubbs, G.
41. Minnesota Vikings select Aundrae Allison, WR.
42. San Francisco 49ers select Tony Franklin, CB.
43. Buffalo Bills select Ryan Harris, OT.
44. Atlanta Falcons select Antonio Pittman, RB.
45. Carolina Panthers select Victor Abiamiri, DE.
46. Pittsburgh Steelers select Eric Wright, CB.
47. Green Bay Packers select Anthony Gonzalez, WR.
48. Jacksonville Jaguars select Jason Hill, WR.
49. Cinncinnati Bengals select Adam Carriker, DE.
50. Tennessee Titans select Ryan Kalil, C.
51. New York Giants select Marshawn Lynch, RB.
52. St Louis Rams select Brady Quinn, QB.
53. Dallas Cowboys select Marcus Thomas, DT.
54. Kansas City Chiefs select Craig Davis, WR.
55. Seattle Seahawks select Lyle Sendlein, C.
56. Denver Broncos select Kenny Irons, RB.
57. Philadelphia Eagles select DeAndre Jackson, CB.
58. New Orleans Saints select Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE.
59. New York Jets select Michael Bush, RB.
60. New England Patriots select Kevin Payne, S.
61. Baltimore Ravens select Brian Leonard, FB.
62. San Diego Chargers select Arron Sears, G.
63. Chicago Bears select Michael Coe, CB.
64. Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Anthony Spencer, DE.

Round 3.

65. Oakland Raiders select Jacoby Jones, WR.
66. Detroit Lions select John Beck, QB.
67. Cleveland Browns select Baraka Atkins, DE.
68. Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Stewart Bradley, OLB.
69. Arizona Cardinals select Ben Patrick, TE.
70. Denver Broncos select Brandon Jackson, RB.
71. Miami Dolphins select Joe Staley, OT.
72. Minnesota Vikings select Robert Meachem, WR.
73. Houston Texans select James Marten, OT.
74. Buffalo Bills select Dwayne Jarrett, WR.
75. Atlanta Falcons select LaMarr Woodley, DE.
76. San Francisco 49ers select Juwan Simpson, OLB.
77. Pittsburgh Steelers select Chris Henry, RB.
78. Green Bay Packers select David Clowney, WR.
79. Jacksonville Jaguars select Jay Moore, DE.
80. Tennessee Titans select David Harris, ILB.
81. New York Giants select Chris Houston, CB.
82. St Louis Rams select H.B. Blades, ILB.
83. Carolina Panthers select Buster Davis, ILB.
84. Kansas City Chiefs select Jemalle Cornelius, WR.
85. Seattle Seahawks select Kenneth Darby, RB.
86. Denver Broncos select Paul Williams, WR.
87. Dallas Cowboys select David Irons, CB.
88. New Orleans Saints select John Talley, CB.
89. New York Jets select Mike Jones, G.
90. Philadelphia Eagles select Troy Smith, QB.
91. New England Patriots select Adam Koets, OT.
92. Baltimore Ravens select Dashon Goldson, S.
93. San Diego Chargers select Eric Weddle, S.
94. Chicago Bears select Michael Johnson, S.
95. Indianapolis Colts select James Jones, WR.
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Merriweather is a stud. He can play any position in the secondary and plays with something you cant teach.

Emotion and intensity.

90% of our defense is still trying to figure out what that is. He is a born leader that not only leads by example (on the field) but leads by his mouth.

For some reason our defense has too many timid people that prefer to lead by example and not vocally. Merriweather can talk with the best of them, but can back it up. He ins't afraid to use his 5'11 body to tackle anyone. He will stick his nose it even if he will be ran over. Has a nose for the ball and is a true ballhawk. Nelson might be rated higher but he doesnt play as big.

Sure the fighting and the gun incident have drawn red flags but that might be in our favor. This will surely cause him to drop and hopefully with proper positioning, he can be had for a early second round pick.
Well I'm not sure he walks on water but I do think he is a talent. He probably isn't going ahead of Nelson due to the hit on his rep. I'm not saying it's deserved in toto. But he's not going to explain it away to every team. Someone could take a chance lower in the first round though.

He could go higher. Who really knows with the draft. But he's not projected to go ahead of Landry and Nelson. Maybe that will change.

Personally I'd take him at 22 if Landry and Nelson are gone but I think there may be safer picks there in Jerry's eyes.
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Nelson is in play as early as Carolina. Carolina fans are talking about Nelson or Willis. For that matter, if someone picks Landry earlier than 10, I could see Atlanta picking Nelson. It's happened in my mocks. For example, this one, using a recent War Room top 99:
I wouldn't have a problem taking the guy. Even at 22 I'd take him. You'd better talk to Jerry though. I'm not sure he'd take the chance.

This is a very deep draft and teams should be able to walk away from it with two starters if they have picks in 1-3. This is a draft to pick safe. This is a draft with lots of lateral wiggle room to pick value and position.

Hopefully Jerry can't screw up day one.
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I would actually draft him in the 1st. If not for any "character issues" this kid would easily be a top 20 pick. This is also based on the fact that im guessing that both Landry and Nelson will be gone by 22. And of course this is pending an interview and other tests of his character.

Really this kid is what we have been looking for since Woody left. He is a ball-hawking FS who can cover the field well enough to let Roy do his thing at the LOS. Perfect fit in my opinion.
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This mock draft was made by rubysim.rb on 2007-03-18

22. Dallas Cowboys select Patrick Willis, ILB.

53. Dallas Cowboys select Marcus Thomas, DT.

87. Dallas Cowboys select David Irons, CB.
We go all D on day one and all over the place.

This is a team who is battling several major injuries to
key players including Pro Bowl talents like Lee, Austin, Jenkins, Murray,
Carter and Ratliff. Other key starters missing include Costa, Smith, Church and
Coleman. That is 11 key players - that's half the starting lineup. Yet we still went 8-8.
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I wouldn't for two reasons:

1. Pat Watkins was a rookie last year; sometimes we forget that.

2. I'm liking the idea of taking Meacham or Bowe at #22 (or Ginn if he's there). Even Jarrett will be in the mix.

I think this is the year we can find our future #1 with Crayton #2. It's where the value and quality is this year in the early 20's.
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I wouldn't for two reasons:

1. Pat Watkins was a rookie last year; sometimes we forget that.

2. I'm liking the idea of taking Meacham or Bowe at #22 (or Ginn if he's there). Even Jarrett will be in the mix.

I think this is the year we can find our future #1 with Crayton #2. It's where the value and quality is this year in the early 20's.

If Ginn is there , I would take him over Merriweather..

Your number 2 WR cant be coming into his prime at 29 years old and still be a #3 WR on paper. He shouldn't be in the equation when talking about the future as he will be 30 years old. He is a good role player and should continue to stay as that.

And I also like Pat Watkins alot! I hope he can play well when he gets the shot again but you can never have too many DB's. Merriweather can play corner as well and would be an asset in the future in any nickel or dime defense. His diversity alone would warrant such a high pick.
Bye Bradie.....

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We go all D on day one and all over the place.
It's one mock, chosen because of the specifics of how the safeties fall out. I can change the Cowboys draft rules slightly and they'll choose entirely different players.

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Considering the NFL is cracking down on bs from players, would you draft Meriweather in the 2nd? Say he slipped to the mid to late 40's would you trade a 2nd day pick or two to trade up? Doubtful, but stranger things have happened and he could be there at 53 if enough teams are scared away? I'm in no way asking if we would use a 1st on him, but in the 2nd you'd have to consider it, even if we had to trade up a few.

From the great blue north's site.


There are some major character concerns as Meriweather has struggled with his behavior on and off the field; was a key figure in a brawl 2005 Peach Bowl and was suspended for his part in last season’s ugly brawl with Florida International in which he was caught on tape stomping on an opponent. Off the field Meriwaether was involved in an incident in which he pulled he repeatedly fired a weapon and several assailants who had shot one of his teammates.
no..when will people ever learn about this?

isnt it obvious that it ISNT worth the trouble on these kinds of players now?

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I don't think we draft a FS in the 1st round and that includes Nelson IMO. I really think Watkins deserves another shot, because I think he will improve in his second year. A lot of teams didn't draft him last year, mostly because they were scared off by his height. Even though, Watkins posted some impressive numbers at the combine with a 4.42 forty and a 41" VJ.
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