RUMOR: Dwayne Jarrett to visit Valley Ranch?

[carphalen5150]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

Jarret took too many plays off- there were whole games that he could have dominated and did not. I do not want a WR that we have to motivate; I do not want ANY player that needs that.

Not sure where you are getting this from. I have never read anything that supports that he "takes plays off"...I'd like to see a link that backs up this claim. People point to the Ark game and say Chris Houston shut him down, but Jarrett was coming off an injury and was used as a decoy to keep Houston off Smith. His biggest flaw is that Mike Williams flopped...that's it.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by carphalen5150

Not sure where you are getting this from. I have never read anything that supports that he "takes plays off"...I'd like to see a link that backs up this claim. People point to the Ark game and say Chris Houston shut him down, but Jarrett was coming off an injury and was used as a decoy to keep Houston off Smith. His biggest flaw is that Mike Williams flopped...that's it.

And he is a "hot dog".

Since when is that a detriment to any WR?

I would characterize Michael Irvin as that and more.

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by Alexander

And he is a "hot dog".

Since when is that a detriment to any WR?

I would characterize Michael Irvin as that and more.

Guess it depends on the circumstance. I don't consider extreme celebration hot dogging.

I've only seen Jarrett play once that I can recall, but when I did, he had beat his man, was going in to score and he did a Reggie Bush. High stepped it and pointed toward the guy as he ran into the end zone. I don't necessarily like that no matter who the player is.

But I don't know that that one instance was indicative of his overall character. I just know I didn't like seeing that. But if the guy can play, he can play and while they're making good character a big offseason thing, talent will always drive teams to these guys every time.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Alexander

And he is a "hot dog".

Since when is that a detriment to any WR?

I would characterize Michael Irvin as that and more.

I don't believe I said being a hot dog was a detriment. I don't believe I even inferred it was.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

But I don't know that that one instance was indicative of his overall character. I just know I didn't like seeing that. But if the guy can play, he can play and while they're making good character a big offseason thing, talent will always drive teams to these guys every time.

Reggie Bush did his wave in the heat of the moment.

Emmitt Smith waved at defenders also on several occasions.

That has nothing to do with their general character.

At any rate, hot dogging shouldn't be a big problem. A little arrogance is fine. I am more worried about players who can't back up their arrogance.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I don't believe I said being a hot dog was a detriment. I don't believe I even inferred it was.

And at no point did I state you did, now did I?

You mentioned some don't care for the behavior. And that is correct.

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by Alexander

Reggie Bush did his wave in the heat of the moment.

Emmitt Smith waved at defenders also on several occasions.

That has nothing to do with their general character.

At any rate, hot dogging shouldn't be a big problem. A little arrogance is fine. I am more worried about players who can't back up their arrogance.

It doesn't matter who the player is, still don't like that whole pointing/taunting thing. Early celebration is one thing, but that kinda stuff burns me up.

That said, I don't mind the arrogance, if, like you said, they can back it up.

Two separate things, IMO.

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Dwayne Jarrett is a good football player. The only thing some will not like about him is that he is a bit of a hot dog.

I do rank him behind Meacham and Bowe as far as targets for us at WR because Meacham is faster and Bowe runs cleaner routes. I also like their attitudes better, especially Meacham who seems like a down to earth kid to me. If we end up with Dwayne Jarrett it will NOT be the end of the world. The kid can play.

BTW, I prefer big, physical WRs and these 3 fit the bill. Jarrett is probably the most physical of the 3. In the NFL that can be a very good thing. As much as I dislike USC, this kid can play and be an important factor.

Yeah, that's how I feel too...There's other guys I would prefer, but I'm not upset at all if Jarrett's the pick.

I know there are some character/personality concerns, but I think Dallas would be a good spot. Even though TO is brash/arrogant and all that, he works extremely hard and would set a good example (in that regard, at least) for Jarrett.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

It doesn't matter who the player is, still don't like that whole pointing/taunting thing. Early celebration is one thing, but that kinda stuff burns me up.

That said, I don't mind the arrogance, if, like you said, they can back it up.

Two separate things, IMO.

If the biggest complaint one can have is that the player celebrates touchdowns and success like a hot dog, then that's a pretty good problem to worry about.

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by Alexander

If the biggest complaint one can have is that the player celebrates touchdowns and success like a hot dog, then that's a pretty good problem to worry about.

Well yeah...

But his speed is an issue, so while a 40 time is just one component, I'm real curious as to what to he can run. With rumors of 4.7 floating around out there, it makes one wonder.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

Well yeah...

But his speed is an issue, so while a 40 time is just one component, I'm real curious as to what to he can run. With rumors of 4.7 floating around out there, it makes one wonder.

Michael Irvin ran a time similar to that also.

If he is being downgraded because he looks slow on tape and struggles with separation, fine. The only time I see footage of him struggling to get open, it is against very good cornerbacks. I also saw him abuse Leon Hall pretty bad.

But taking him down because of a 40 time is very foolish.

It has been proven time and again. The film doesn't lie. Workout numbers do.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Alexander

And at no point did I state you did, now did I?

You mentioned some don't care for the behavior. And that is correct.

I brought up him being a hot dog. Then you make a remark about it like it's ridiculous that it is an issue and cite Michael Irvin. How was I supposed to interpret this?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Gaede

Yeah, that's how I feel too...There's other guys I would prefer, but I'm not upset at all if Jarrett's the pick.

I know there are some character/personality concerns, but I think Dallas would be a good spot. Even though TO is brash/arrogant and all that, he works extremely hard and would set a good example (in that regard, at least) for Jarrett.

When someone is a hot dog they crave the spotlight. Does it shine any brighter than in Dallas? Like I said, if we take him it will NOT be the end of the world. The kid can play.

[hendog]

While speed may be an issue, he seemed to make clutch play after clutch play when USC needed it most. I think we could do worse. I don't ever remember watching him play and saying, "man he looks slow out there."

[carphalen5150]

The only guy I have better than Jarrett is Johnson. He was far more productive than Meachem, Bowe, and Ginn, and he came up big in BIG GAMES. The play against ND the year previous and his absolute dominance of Michigan in the Rose Bowl this year. He is my preference over the other WRs. I'd take Ginn next to because I think he will be legit in the return game right off the bat. Meachem and Bowe...I am not going to cry if we get them, but they are 4th and 5th for me at WR.