Washington Redskins Picks

[Phrozen Phil]

I actually thought that the Redskins showed some discipline in their draft this weekend. Landry was arguably the best value at that point, and he may be a special player. IMHO, I believe that they will continue to suffer from bad decisions that have resulted in overpriced free agents, the loss of most of the meat of their draft, and the belief that they are "contenders" every year for the Super Bowl.
If they keep their next year's draft choices intact and continue with a disciplined approach, then they will again contend. While they have some good players,(Santana Moss, Sean Taylor, Clinton Portis) their roster is still stocked with several overpaid underachievers, (Renaldo Wynn, Antwaan Randle El, Brandon Lloyd are three that leap to mind immediately ) several role players who have desire and give max performance, (Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright are good examples) and a variety of players who have not distinguished themselves and who have not been difference makers this past season.
Until they establish an identity that distinguishes themselves from others and until they get real chemistry that their high-paid coaching staff was expected to create, the Skins will continue to struggle.
If everybody continues to run against the Skins and if they struggle with the pash rush this year, then it could be a long season. What that might do is identify how they will need to draft next year.
If Snyder is able to allow the football people to do their job, that might be the biggest difference.

[Sam I Am]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Phil

Landry was arguably the best value at that point, and he may be a special player. IMHO, I believe that they will continue to suffer from bad decisions that

Adrian Peterson was still on the board. There were three players in this draft that were well above all the other players. Peterson, Johnson, and Thomas. Without question, I think they all should have went 1, 2, 3. The Raiders were stupid last year not to take Matt Leinart. That would have allowed them to take Joe Thomas this year. So, they not only paid a steep price last year for not taking Leinart, but paid another steep price this year because they couldn't take Joe Thomas.

Landry is a great talent, but he's not in the same class as Adrian Peterson.

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

A few things will

A) Andre Carter improved towards the end of the year. Had 4 sacks in the last 6 games and started to make plays. This was consistant with him becoming comfortable as a DE again (and I was a HUGE Carter critic)

to counter, Andre Carter has been an average pass-rusher for years, and continued it last year, even in his "amazing" run to end the season

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

B) Secondary depth. One of the big things that was overlooked last year was what a key injury Pierson Prielea was. Took away a pretty solid cover safety

ok, you added Fred Smoot who bites on fakes and gets burned trying to make the big play, and a rookie to start at S along w/ Taylor, I hope you don't believe that a rookie safety is going to be able to hold up in coverage w/o a pass-rush

Originally Posted by SkinHokieFan

What does that mean? This prevented GW from employing those riddiculous blitzes he loves. You know the ones that somehow allows Chris Clemons to sack Vinny T 3 times or produces 7 sacks in a game against Dallas in a December blowout win

I know the ones, the ones that got figured out since the league has 2 years of tape on them, and lol at your Dallas example, you guys took advantage of one of the worst bookends at OT the NFL has seen in a few years

Originally Posted by SkinHOkieFan

Thusly the Redskins went after a guy who has the deep cover ability as well as the ability to blitz and launch like a missle

Sort of like this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N-zuQOtEu4k

Or this

http://youtube.com/watch?v=R211e6JdV...elated&search=

They are both fun videos

that's cool, but he doesn't have a pass-rush to help him

Originally Posted by SkinHokieFan

Williams doesn't appear to be one who creates pressure from the front 4 d-line applying pressure. As was stated, the D-line is primarily gap control and the pressure comes from blitzes

It worked real well in 2004 and 2005. It worked horribly in 2006 because you had Mike Rumph covering guys 1 on 1 or Adam Archuleta being totally out of the play as a TE ran by him

it worked horribly in '06 because teams figured out Greg WIlliams' scheme, all you have to do to defeat it is to throw quick passes

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Hence why the pick of Landry, signing of Smoot and Macklin and NOT unloading Shawn Springs

that all becomes moot w/o a pass-rush, again, your pass-rush may improve, but you only accounted for 19 sacks last year, so it's not going to be that big of an improvement to really help your D

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Of course if I was in charge Okoye would have been my pick. May have been a bit high at number 6, but I am one of those guys who looks for dominating line play

which you aren't going to get next year, could have used him more than Landry

[Bizwah]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Fact is, if you watched the Redskins D of 2005, you saw Prielou in many of the "pass" packages. These packages allowed the corner blitzing from Shawn Springs, or Marcus Washington to come in on blitzes. Blitzes that forced Drew Bledsoe to fumble on the 1st possesion of the 2nd half. To be honest I could care less if you "buy it" or not, you are wrong.

I love how Redskin fans continue to look at their last game against us in 2005 as some kind of barometer of how good they can be.....

Let me remind you that we were missing Flo and Gurode. Rob Pettiti was our starting RT. Rivera had to leave the game with a neck injury. Mix that patchwork OL with Drew Bledsoe....well, you get the idea.

In our first meeting with you that year we controlled your blitzing. We weren't so injured on the OL then.....

Back to the point.

Well, I happen to like the Landry pick. I think he was the best defensive player on the board. I think he makes your secondary better.

But there are so many weaknesses on your team, you couldn't possibly fill them all with ONE pick on the first day. With all your first day picks, I think you possibly could have strenghed the rest of your team. But your owner frittered them away on bad players in FA.

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

to counter, Andre Carter has been an average pass-rusher for years, and continued it last year, even in his "amazing" run to end the season

Carter had sacks against mostly lousy offensive tackles like Wayne Gandy, Bob Whitfield, and Todd Steussie. He did get a sack against Jammal Brown. Also, he couldn't stop the run to save his life last season.






YAKUZA

[Bob Sacamano]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Carter had sacks against mostly lousy offensive tackles like Wayne Gandy, Bob Whitfield, and Todd Steussie. He did get a sack against Jammal Brown. Also, he couldn't stop the run to save his life last season.






YAKUZA

good stuff, Carter alone isn't going to improve the Dline play by that much

[Alexander]

Here is my summation. It is long, so if you don't have the time, do not read.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Originally Posted by nyc

Adrian Peterson was still on the board. There were three players in this draft that were well above all the other players. Peterson, Johnson, and Thomas. Without question, I think they all should have went 1, 2, 3. The Raiders were stupid last year not to take Matt Leinart. That would have allowed them to take Joe Thomas this year. So, they not only paid a steep price last year for not taking Leinart, but paid another steep price this year because they couldn't take Joe Thomas.

Landry is a great talent, but he's not in the same class as Adrian Peterson.

And yet, you would be bashing the skins even more if they took peterson while still having portis and betts on the roster.

This is just a horrid attempt to belittle a team just because they are your archrivals. I mean, if you really want to come out and bash our draft, then use the logical way of saying we needed to draft an obvious need at line, not antoher RB

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by skinsngibbs4life

And yet, you would be bashing the skins even more if they took peterson while still having portis and betts on the roster.

Not at all, imbecile.

We'd just be bashing the front office and questioning whether or not they could find a way to move one of the other two.

This is just a horrid attempt to belittle a team just because they are your archrivals. I mean, if you really want to come out and bash our draft, then use the logical way of saying we needed to draft an obvious need at line, not antoher RB

Your draft was doomed before it started.

Had your front office been somewhat proactive and got more choices in a very active draft, maybe the criticisms you would hear would be more to your liking.

But up and down, critic to critic, you had a bad draft.

And that is because your team doesn't take it seriously.

Now, run along and go play in other areas of the forum.

This one isn't safe for you. You might get hurt.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Originally Posted by Alexander

Not at all, imbecile.

We'd just be bashing the front office and questioning whether or not they could find a way to move one of the other two.




Your draft was doomed before it started.

Had your front office been somewhat proactive and got more choices in a very active draft, maybe the criticisms you would hear would be more to your liking.

But up and down, critic to critic, you had a bad draft.

And that is because your team doesn't take it seriously.

Now, run along and go play in other areas of the forum.

This one isn't safe for you. You might get hurt.

well obviously a draft was doomed from the start when you only have 1 first day pick.

But of course, that wasn't the topic what was discussed by NYC. Of course, he was talking about our first round pick, not the entire draft. But you still had to come in with something irrelevent to what was being discussed between me and him just to come in with a bash of the team.

Now, back to what NYC said. I would also like to add to what i posted before, that Sean Taylor isn't even a strong safety, he is a free safety. So this would ultimatly bring down his entire theory of drafting for need, because, in fact, we do have a hole at the SS position.

[Alexander]

Originally Posted by skinsngibbs4life

well obviously a draft was doomed from the start when you only have 1 first day pick.

And that responsibility rests in whose lap?

Why the team that doesn't take drafting seriously and thinks they can buy their way to wins.

But of course, that wasn't the topic what was discussed by NYC. Of course, he was talking about our first round pick, not the entire draft. But you still had to come in with something irrelevent to what was being discussed between me and him just to come in with a bash of the team.

I can offer plenty.

The Redskins should have attacked this draft as aggressively as they could.

But they didn't.

They reacted like cowards.

There is a Groupthink process going on with your team and you might not even notice it.

I fault Jerry Jones at times. And even he has not become overcome by hubris just yet.

What has Daniel Snyder learned as an owner?

What has the entire franchise learned?

The days of the "Over the Hill Gang" cannot be replicated with high price tags in free agents.

It is now the "Overpriced Gang" and instead of winning, they lose and continue a syndrome.

The same draft mentality exists now that exists in Gibbs' previous regime more than 20 years ago.

It was a fortunate time for your team. You had some home runs and were able to overcome a lot of bad trades. You also benefitted from mining the USFL.

Now, you are pathetic shells trying to pretend to play the same game.

The only way you will ever rebuild the Redskins is to draft better players. Not sit around and convince yourselves that marginal players are great and think that you can just hit with what handful of choices you do have.

And until your owner realizes it, you will spin your wheels.

Now, back to what NYC said. I would also like to add to what i posted before, that Sean Taylor isn't even a strong safety, he is a free safety. So this would ultimatly bring down his entire theory of drafting for need, because, in fact, we do have a hole at the SS position.

Good luck with that pass rush.

I look forward to seeing Taylor making boneheaded penalties and Landry's tongue dragging the field because the QB has minutes to throw.

One pass rusher.

That's all you needed.

But like a poor marksman, you missed the target again.

And yet stand up and claim you did.

Pathetic.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Originally Posted by Bob Sacamano

to counter, Andre Carter has been an average pass-rusher for years, and continued it last year, even in his "amazing" run to end the season



ok, you added Fred Smoot who bites on fakes and gets burned trying to make the big play, and a rookie to start at S along w/ Taylor, I hope you don't believe that a rookie safety is going to be able to hold up in coverage w/o a pass-rush



I know the ones, the ones that got figured out since the league has 2 years of tape on them, and lol at your Dallas example, you guys took advantage of one of the worst bookends at OT the NFL has seen in a few years



that's cool, but he doesn't have a pass-rush to help him



it worked horribly in '06 because teams figured out Greg WIlliams' scheme, all you have to do to defeat it is to throw quick passes



[View Full Quote]that all becomes moot w/o a pass-rush, again, your pass-rush may improve, but you only accounted for 19 sacks last year, so it's not going to be that big of an improvement to really help your D



which you aren't going to get next year, could have used him more than Landry

its been said over, and over again, but I guess it must be said once more. Obviously Gregg Williams' defenses rely on blitzing to survive, its what he loves to do. What happens last year? half of our secondary goes down before a full game is done with, and we are depleted. How does this affect our pass rush? Obviously with second rate corners in there, they are going to have troubles even protecting short crossing routes. Of course if your secondary cant guard the short routes, the blitz is obviously going to be beaten every time.

By addressing the safety position, we sure up our secondary, and make it stronger. This allows GW to have more confidence in blitzing, and essentially go back to the schemes we ran the two prior years. We added players to our corner position (including a healthy springs), and adding a SS that can actually play, we actually have a secondary that can get the job done.

In most cases a teams success relies on the defensive line. But in Gregg Williams' scheme, it truly does rely on the secondary. Becuase without them, the whole scheme goes to crap.

[jrumann59]

A coach said once, "If you need to blitz to provide pressure you already lost." Usually a good pass rush from the front seven will cover a secondaries deficiencies. A good secondary can help a mediocre pass rush a little but bad pass rush and so so secondary can cause all sorts of problems. I heard from many on the local media here in DC say they like the pick but wished the skins would have addressed the DL and the only problem they see is contract issues with ST and the fact Landry and Taylor are almost identical players.

[Ben_n_austin]

I think what it boils down to is that the Skins' front office aint too bright.

[Sam I Am]

Originally Posted by skinsngibbs4life

And yet, you would be bashing the skins even more if they took peterson while still having portis and betts on the roster.

This is just a horrid attempt to belittle a team just because they are your archrivals. I mean, if you really want to come out and bash our draft, then use the logical way of saying we needed to draft an obvious need at line, not antoher RB

I guess you didn't read my breakdown of the Redskins draft in this very thread. I even happen to mention that there was no logic in their decision.