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#109 - 4th Round - Dallas, Marion Barber III, RB, MINNESOTA

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  1. jsond

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    Rb Marion Barber From Minnesota
  2. Juke99

    Juke99 ...Abbey someone

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    Strengths: He possesses adequate size and adequate-to-good straight-line speed. He has the lower body strength to pick up yards after contact when he runs with leverage. Shows good burst to the line of scrimmage and adequate speed in the open field. Has the ability to change directions quickly and he is capable of making the first defender miss. Rarely drops passes that he should catch and has a good feel as a dump-off receiver that stays with his quarterback in the passing game. He has experience returning kickoffs as well as punts.

    Weaknesses: Can be impatient at times and he needs to do a better job of allowing his blocks to develop. Has adequate size and adequate-to-good speed, but not great in either area. Is a little bit too straight-line and doesn't show enough "wiggle" in space. Runs hard but seems to lack a bit of explosiveness. He is somewhat inconsistent and he will run too high at times. Doesn't run sharp routes and he could have problems generating separation working against upper-tier cover-linebackers. He sat out most of his sophomore season, there is some concern about his durability and he needs to stay healthy to progress.

    Overall: Barber, whose father was also a standout running back for the Gophers and played with the Jets in the NFL, appeared in 11 games and started two as a freshman in 2001. He appeared in two games in 2002 before sustaining a hamstring injury and taking a medical redshirt year. Barber played in all 13 games of the 2003 season and he was named first team All-Big-10. As a senior in 2004, Barber rushed for 1,082 yards and 10 touchdowns on 194 carries  splitting carries with Laurence Maroney. Barber needs to work on his running style and improve his vision and patience as a runner. However, he has adequate size, above average top-end speed, and he's a tough runner. Some feel that Barber can emerge as a "sleeper" in this class and become an impact fulltime starter in the NFL. While we definitely think he can contribute as a change-of-pace back and possibly as a KOR specialist, it just seems to us that Barber lacks enough elite qualities, especially in terms of the explosiveness that it takes to become a premier NFL back. In our opinion, Barber is a good value late on Day 1, but not any higher.
  3. mlubbering

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  4. Shotgun Dave

    Shotgun Dave Well-Known Member

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    Marion Barber III
  5. jsond

    jsond Member

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    Minny had a great running game while he was there and he was the bowl MVP..like the pick
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  7. Juke99

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    Marion Barber, TB, Minnesota
    Height: 5:11.3 Weight: 221

    Marion Barber

    Overview: The son of former NFLer, Marion Barber, Jr., the younger Barber's style of play is quite similar to his father's -- a quick, power runner with good receiving skills who also adds value as a punt returner. It was fitting that in his last game as a Gopher, Marion surpassed his father for second place on the school's career-record list with 35 touchdowns rushing. An All-Midwest running back and defensive back, Barber gained 1,778 yards with 18 touchdowns as a senior at Wayzaka High. He was a Super Prep and Prep Star All-Midwest choice who led his team with ten interceptions, three of which came against Cretin-Derham Hall's Joe Mauer (Minnesota Twins catcher). Marion was a consensus All-State selection that led his team to a 10-2 record and an appearance in the state tournament as a senior. He posted an 18-4 two-year record at Wayzata. Barber was also an honorable mention All-Conference performer in baseball as a centerfielder. He began his collegiate career at Minnesota in 2001, earning Freshman All-American third-team honors after gaining 742 yards with seven touchdowns on 118 carries (6.3 avg). A hamstring injury vs. Buffalo in the third game of the 2002 season forced him to miss the final eight games and redshirt. He got out of shape while sidelined, causing him to share playing time with Terry Jackson and others entering the 2003 season, but quickly regrouped to lead the team with 207 carries for 1,196 yards (5.8 avg) and 17 scores. He ranked second in the Big Ten Conference and seventh in the nation with an average of 14.5 yards on 28 punt returns. His seven 100-yard rushing performances that year tied a school single-season record. Barber collected 1,892 all-purpose yards for the year. Barber was again forced to share playing time in 2004 with Laurence Maroney. Even though he started eleven games, he finished second on the team with 1,269 yards and eleven touchdowns on 231 carries (5.5 avg). He added 110 yards on 19 punt returns (5.8 avg) and 206 yards on ten kickoff returns (20.6 avg), as he totaled 1,612 all-purpose yards. In 38 games with the Gophers, Marion carried the ball 575 times for 3,276 yards (5.7-yard avg) and 35 touchdowns. Only Darrell Thompson (40, 1986-89) scored more touchdowns on the ground in school history. His 3,276 yards rank behind Thomas Hamner (3,810, 1996-99) and Thompson (4,654) on the school's all-time record list. His fourteen games of at least 100 yards rushing rank third in school annals behind Thompson (23) and Hamner (15). He also gained 190 yards on 21 receptions (9.0 avg), 515 yards on 47 punt returns (11.0 avg) and 514 yards on 23 kickoff returns (22.3 avg). His 4,495 all-purpose yards rank second in school history behind Thompson (5,109). He also completed four of seven pass attempts for 59 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions.

    Analysis: Positives... Has a thick upper body with a tight waist and hips, good bubble, thick thighs and calves. ... Low to the ground type of runner with the strength, power and hip flexibility to plant and change direction instantly. ... Not timid in attempts to run the ball through the pile. ... Shows no hesitation moving on the ball's snap and shows good vision picking the rush lanes. ... Power oriented runner who will ram the ball through trash, showing little dance through the holes as he consistently moves forward. ... Has the leg drive to break tackles and keep his balance. ... Will lower his shoulders and initiate contact, pumping his feet to move the pile. ... Flashes a good burst bouncing to the outside and while not a burner, he shows good quickness with deceptive long speed. ... Has good quickness and above average balance. ... Shows very good instincts and field vision, rarely missing the holes or cut back lanes. ... Has the power to move the pile between the tackles and a good linear burst to get through the tightest creases. ... There is not much wiggle to his upfield movement, but he stays low in his pads and does a nice job of falling forward to get additional yardage. ... More comfortable as a north/south runner, but he does have good quickness and can make the first defender miss. ... Shows good power in his style and will gain yards after contact. ... Will finish his runs and has very good balance, especially when operating between the tackles. ... Brings added value to his game as a return specialist, looking the ball in well and then generating a burst to escape for big gains.

    Negatives... Has enough sustained speed to get to the second level, but despite his quickness, he looks a little stiff in his lateral movements. ... In the passing game, he has the speed to be a threat out of the backfield, but is rarely used, except for some dump-offs and screens. ... Has a tendency to cradle the ball and double catch, resulting in several dropped passes. ... As a blocker, he shows willingness and strength, but needs to extend his arms better and generate a more consistent hand jolt to sustain. ... While he may fumble on occasion, this is no longer a problem area, as he has learned to do a better job of protecting the ball by keeping it closer to his body in 2004 than he did in the past. ... He showed no ill effects from a 2004 spring knee injury that was first thought to be a tear, but did favor his leg a bit as the season wore down (see 2004 Indiana and Wisconsin games).

    Agility tests: CAMPUS: 4.48 in the 40-yard dash...4.18 20-yard shuttle...11.56 60-yard shuttle...7.12 three-cone drill. COMBINE: Player chose to not participate in the running and shuttle drills at the Combines...40-inch vertical jump...10'7" broad jump...Bench pressed 225 pounds 20 times...31 -inch arm length...8 7/8-inch hands...16 Wonderlic score.

    High school: Attended Wayzata (Minn.) High School, playing football for coach Brad Anderson...All-Midwest running back and defensive back...Gained 1,778 yards with 18 touchdowns as a senior...Super Prep and Prep Star All-Midwest pick...Led his team with ten interceptions, three of which came against Cretin-Derham Hall's Joe Mauer (Minnesota Twins catcher)... Consensus All-State selection who led his team to a 10-2 record and an appearance in the state tournament as a senior...Posted an 18-4 two-year record at Wayzata...Also an honorable mention All-Conference performer in baseball as a centerfielder.

    Personal: Business Marketing Education major...Son of Marion and Karen Barber...Father, Marion Jr., is a former NFL (New York Jets) and All-Big Ten Conference running back, who gained 3,235 yards with 34 touchdowns rushing at Minnesota (1977-80)...Recipient of the Sheldon Douglas Endowed Scholarship...Born 6/10/83...Resides in Wayzata, Minnesota.
  8. InmanRoshi

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    If he hadn't had to split carries with Laurence Maroney (who will probably be a 1st round pick), he would have been a Hesimann Trophy candidate. He can carry the load if Julius gets injured.
  9. Nors

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    I like RB and trust Parcells 100%.

    Will be a great 1, 2 punch

    5-11, 220 - kid runs hard and has some quicks. 4.45
    draftinsiders rated him #6, compared to Shaun Alexander - good pick!
  10. cowboygolfer

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    If BP picks a RB I listen after last year. this kid looks good on paper, I don't know anything about him.
  11. MichaelWinicki

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    Very good pick. Decent value in the 4th round. Draft is a winner so far.
  12. Compacity

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    He is the fourth best runningback on sportingnews...
  13. StarHead69

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    Wow! :D

    This Draft has turned out great for us, so far we have not had to reach to fill our needs, and good-talented-high character players have been there for us every round.

    Now go get your ST guys Bill.
  14. Cheap Shot Artist

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    Sounds like our version of Mewelde Moore, but not as good in the return game as Moore
  15. Rocky

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    Bold prediction from your humble poster: Barber will have more success than C Benson in the NFL.
  16. Oh_Canada

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    I love this pick...Barber will be one of the elite backup running backs in football and perfect insurance against an injury to our starter. Unlike Sproles, he can easily handle the full-time load if needed.
  17. Compacity

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    On sportingnews he is compared to Travis Henry...
  18. Compacity

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    Marion Barber III
    RB, Minnesota
    War Room analysis

    Strengths: Has adequate size and good lower-body strength. Shows good burst around the corner and adequate speed in the open field. Changes direction quickly and can be elusive. Is a reliable receiver and big-play threat. Is an experienced punt and kick return man.

    Weaknesses: Must become patient and let blocks develop. Is somewhat inconsistent and runs too high at times. Doesn't run sharp pass routes. Has durability concerns; was a medical redshirt in 2002 because of a hamstring injury. Would benefit from another college season.

    Bottom line: Barber has potential, size, above-average top-end speed and is a tough runner. He followed up his redshirt season with two solid years. He is rushing things by entering the draft, but he has the talent to be an NFL contributor. He will need time to improve his technique and patience as a runner. Barber is moving up draft boards because of measurables. He ran fast in shorts, and his father played in the league. He could be selected as high as the second round.

    Dan Pompei analysis
    Smooth, gliding runner. Is patient and lets the play develop. Has vision. Runs with balance. Doesn't have a lot of burst. Is not a burner. Doesn't play with a lot of power, but gets some yards after contact. Runs hard. Isn't real shifty. Hands are decent. Has returned punts.


    Height: 5-11 Weight: 221
    40-yard dash: 4.44 <seen that at the combine...

    NFL comparison:
    Travis Henry

    ^He's the 45th best player in the draft on sportingnews board...
  19. Oh_Canada

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    I don't see Henry at all....to me he runs alot like Shuan Alexander...maybe not quite as fast, but a similar style.
  20. Hollywood Henderson

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    Perfect fit for a backup RB to JJ and as Oh-Canada says, has the size & ability to play every down unlike a Sproles...

    Good value is a need area...

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