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2005 FA Hindsight

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by CoCo, May 31, 2006.

  1. CoCo

    CoCo Well-Known Member

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    It was debated some before the ink was even dry on the Marco Rivera FA contract.

    It got louder when Rivera subsequently injured his back.

    Louder still after Rivera logged his very unimpressive 2005 season.

    Now that the 2006 offseason is almost officially behind us the issue can be revisited once more.

    Shouldn't the Cowboys have targeted Rivera's Green Bay teammate and swingman OT/OG Wahle with their 2005 FA dollars. Wahle was younger, comparably priced, and scouting reports very, very positive. I think Carolina is pretty satisfied with their investment.

    The Cowboys are left to 'hope' that Rivera's dismal 2005 was due to his back injury and that the 2006 offseason will return him to Pro Bowl form.

    How much would it help this team to KNOW that we had RG covered at a high level for several more years? Unfortunately we are left to hope that Rivera doesn't become another black mark on Jerry's record of giving guys big money too late in their career.

    Probably the biggest personnel blunder we've made since (ouch) Jacob Rogers.
  2. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Conversely, the Cowboys signed Anthony Henry rather than bigger "name" cornerbacks like Fred Smoot. I'd say that one worked out pretty well. And Aaron Glenn did as well.

    Let's hope that Rivera's pride and work ethic help him to regain his past Pro Bowl form.

    Win some, lose some I guess.....
  3. The30YardSlant

    The30YardSlant Benched

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    The Post Jimmy Johnson era is filled with so many piss poor personel decisions that it would take an encyclopedia to list them all.

    Ellis over Moss
    Hambrick x2
    Stephart Williams (How long has he been in prison, by the way?)
    Eric Bjornson (He's still running from that Giants defender and wont go down)

    And so on and so forth
  4. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    stop it.

    every FA is a risk.

    you sign 3 big names and at least 1 will dissapoint you.
  5. The Realist

    The Realist Well-Known Member

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    Wahle's # 1 choice was Carolina.

    Sometimes FA's make decisions for reasons other than money.

    See Adam Meadows 2004.

    Thank God we missed on that one.
  6. ravidubey

    ravidubey Active Member

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    Wahle was also more expensive than Rivera. What bugged me more than the Rivera signing was that no-account dog Jason Ferguson. 9 million bucks for what exactly?
  7. Billy Bullocks

    Billy Bullocks Active Member

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    Ferguson wasnt as bad as people think he was. He was pretty solid, but left alot to be desired.

    Rivera, well unless he comes around, he was a bad signing.

    Henry was a great signing, as was Glenn, which adressed what was no doubt our biggest problem heading into last season, the CB position.

    On Joey Galloway, he wasn't a bad player, but what we gave up to get the guy was just way too much. He never had a real QB throw to him, and was on ****ty teams when he was here. He wasn't so bad last year for Tampa
  8. MONT17

    MONT17 New Member

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    I dont think Wahle wanted to play for Parcells!!! Rivera has been broken down for years.... I was watching an old tape of the boys game v. the Pack from a cpl a seasons ago... and wouldnt u know it RIVERA gets carted off in the game that wasa complete blowout!!!

    Rivera sux... it would have been nice to give the guy a 1 year deal or a deal we could eat after June 1 something like like DAT DUDEs...

    Ferguson is a waste... but considering what we had he did have a nice season... once we get some competition people will see how much of a waste he really is!!!
  9. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    It's Stepfret.

    And he never went to prison.

    He actually had a very successful career in the XFL.

    Yes, that's right you heard me. The XFL.
  10. The30YardSlant

    The30YardSlant Benched

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    You're right, I'm thinking of Sherman Williams. He's in jail for counterfeiting currency.
  11. kilz

    kilz Member

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    How do you have a "very successful career" in a league that was in existence for one year?
  12. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    I see mont is back again. With more garbage. GUESS WHAT- RIvera was a PRO BOWL guard when we signed him. AND HE DESERVED it, unlike LA.
    We had BAD luck in his injury- it happens. BUT to call him broken down for years is just another example of someone who does not check for the FACTS.
  13. wileedog

    wileedog Well-Known Member

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    This is the point everyone keeps missing or ignoring in this debate, media included.

    Wahle stated from the outset he wanted to go home, and Carolina gave him Tackle money to do so. We would have had to significantly beat an already outrageous offer for Wahle to bring him here.

    We'll never know what would have happened if not for a hotel treadmill. Heopfully Rivera will be back to full strength this year. If not, he's certainly not the first FA bust we've had and he certainly won't be the last, I don't care who is calling the shots.
  14. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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  15. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    wahle would not of come here unless we offered LA type money. end of story.
  16. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Do you even know how much he signed for? It wasn't far superior to Rivera's contract and it's hardly "Larry Allen" type money. It was healthy, but it could have been done had he wanted to play here and if we courted him.

    Wahle signed a five-year, $28.5 million deal with a $13 million dollar bonus. Rivera signed a five year, $20 million deal with a $9 million signing bonus.

    The major difference is that the Wahle contract wasn't nearly as cap friendly and backloaded. But he also is a younger player and far more versatile.

    The general point is that he might not have wanted to play in Dallas and preferred Carolina, who knows.
  17. Bob Sacamano

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    damnit, stole my thunder :bang2: :)
  18. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    There was no MIGHT about it with wahle. It was KNOWN he wanted to go there and that it would take a lot more money to change his mind. JJ even said it that by getting Rivera that they got the best guard they could get - pretty much tells it all.
  19. ravidubey

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    He was excellent and clearly Tampa's #1 WR last year. No one even thinks about Michael Clayton, a 1st round pick, being the primary receiver. All with Chris Simms at QB.

    And you're right on about Galloway's criminally weak supporting casts here in Dallas. Parcells had to give up and make Galloway a decoy because it became crystal clear after the Tampa game that there was no way Quincy could get him the ball in 2003.
  20. CoCo

    CoCo Well-Known Member

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    Ravi - still Joey's #1 fan. :)

    Not a criticism, just an observation. If there is a comment made about Galloway, you will sniff it out.

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