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2006 Fox Poll: 51% of Dem's wanted GW to fail

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by sbark, Mar 8, 2009.

  1. sbark

    sbark Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    10. Regardless of how you voted in the presidential election, would you say you
    want President Bush to succeed or not?

    SCALE: 1. Yes, want him to succeed 2. No, do not want him to succeed 3. (Don’t know)
    Yes No (Don’t know)
    8-9 Aug 06 63% 32 5
    Democrats 40% 51 9
    Republicans 90% 7 2
    Independents 63% 34 3


    Of course, there’s a key difference between then and now. Wishing Bush would fail meant wishing the country lost in Iraq. Wishing Obama fails means rooting against socialistic policies that threaten everything the country was founded on and our future prosperity.
  2. BigWillie

    BigWillie Well-Known Member

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  3. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    And of course those democrats were just as "irrational" (to steal Newt's word) as the conservatives who now want Obama to fail.
  4. sbark

    sbark Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    that begs the question........did the liberals want GW to fail.....or just his policies to fail?

    and to clarify your statement: its Obama'ism (his socialism) that conservatives want to fail.......

    he campaigned as a "centrist".....who actually voted for socialism? --a economic system that fails every time its enacted........

    wouldnt that be like JJones hireing a coach with a perpetual looseing record?---and then expect the fans to love it:eek:
  5. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

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    Good gravy this is an excellent analogy..!! It's not that I want Wade Phillips to fail... it's just that I think he is a poor coach and the sooner we jettison him, the better off the team will be in the long run (believe me, it breaks my heart to have a head coach who I think is a very poor one).

    I think we would be better off right now if he had gone 6-10 each of the past 2 years instead of having had the regular season success he had 2 years ago - because then he would be unemployed right now and we would be hiring someone new and better.
  6. BigWillie

    BigWillie Well-Known Member

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    To further your analogy -- would you want another Wade Phillips clone to be your next head coach or would you try a coach from a different style?

    Obama's policies are American policies. Twisting or distorting that is only trying to get around the fact you are rooting for the downfall of this country in the same way Dems did. The only difference being Dems were at least openly honest about it. But that is nothing to brag about, either.
  7. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Who knows what they wanted. Whatever it was it was stupid.

    No, it wouldn't be like that.

    It would be like Jerry letting CZ vote in a loser HC and expect everyone to be cool with it.

    just sayin.....
  8. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    I understand what you are saying but the analogy doesn't fit quite right.

    Its one thing to hope Wade is gone as of March 2009. You've seen what ya got now.

    Its quite another to be rooting for Wade to get let go back in March, 2007.
  9. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    I guess that depends on your viewpoint. I hope someone stops Obama. I doubt there are enough Conservative Dems to negate the RINOS.
  10. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    I understand that aspect and I think the we have every right to disagree with a President's policies and to hope that some of them don't have the intended effect. However, I disagree with making a blanket statement like "I hope the President fails". Ultimately, the President's job is to keep us safe, keep the economy strong and make sure that all citizens have the opportunity to pursue life, liberty and happiness.

    Now, I know a lot of people are like you and hope that Obama is held back so that he doesn't ruin the country. I even think that the words "stop Obama" are an effective choice because that doesn't mean that you want him to fail at the broader job as President.

    I do think that there are some people who do want Obama to fail and keave the ocuntry worse off than he found it though. It's just political hate and it's the same thing that's shown in the poll in this thread. If the other side screws up enough then "my" side can come in, pick up the pieces, coast through an election, and lead the country from the opposite end of the political spectrum. It's like when Rham Emanuel said, "This crisis is a great opportunity." For some people, the nations weakness is an opportunity for them to take grasp of the reigns and control the direction.

    I think that's exactly what Rush meant when he said he hoped Obama failed, it's what Emanuel meant and it's probably what a significant number of those who were polled meant as well.
  11. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    See my response to JBond.

    I think some people truly want Obama to fail and leave this country weaker than he found it. I think people wanted the same thing when Bush was in office too. The rational people always want the President to succeed in his overall job as President, irrational people do not.
  12. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    Then you have to clairify the question and the answer. I do not doubt that Rush wants Obama to fail anyway- he really believes that Obama is a danger to the country.
    I happen to want Obama's health elephant to fail. I want his attempt to turn the country to socialism to fail. Now if he still has a successful presidency (like Clinton did for the most part working with a Republican Congress) then I would certainly not begrudge him that.
  13. Hoofbite

    Hoofbite Well-Known Member

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    Just curious as to why you want the health issue to fail?

    I've heard a couple points made against it and was just wondering what others thought about it.

    Or anyone for that matter who wishes it to fail. What are your guys' thoughts about it?
  14. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    Are you being serious? You really expect me to pay for your medical care? What is wrong with getting a job and paying for your own medical care?

    Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Kansas City can get you individual coverage for $50 a month and family coverage for $250 a month. If you really can't afford that you need to reevaluate your situation. Something has gone drastically wrong in your life if you can't afford $50 a month for health care.

    The health care "crisis" has been fabricated by the left for the sole purpose of buying votes with "free" crappy health care paid for by the people who are not failures.
  15. the fake norm hitzges

    the fake norm hitzges New Member

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    when a health care system is socialized,it makes bureaucrats in the federal government have the final say in what medicine,surgery or any medical procedure you can receive.it leaves life and death decisions to be made by bureaucrats instead of you and your doctor.

    when government controls your health care,they can control your life.
  16. iceberg

    iceberg nothing is nothing Zone Supporter

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    it's ok to want a president to fail when the other side isn't in office. it's only a party foul when your guy is in.
  17. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    The sole reason Obama is spending billions of dollars collecting all of our personal medical records and storing them in DC is to socialize the entire health care industry. I believe there is some right to privacy issues being violated by Obama, not that he cares about the bill of rights anyway. The Obama government will become the sole decision maker on the health care decisions. The plan is to dictate what your private insurance is allowed to cover and not cover.

    Say you are older and in poor health, we have been told by the Obama regime that those individuals must be prepared to make it on their own and that their medical care would be cut off. That is how the rationed health care works.
  18. Jarv

    Jarv Loud pipes saves lives.

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    The next step could be that Democrats get better coverage than Republicans, so if you want health care coverage vote democrat.
  19. DIAF

    DIAF DivaLover159

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    Health care is a problem in this country, and it's not one that's been fabricated by the left to buy votes. Health Benefits are a huge part of my company's business, although it's not what I do (i'm in Defined Contributions, 401k stuff) however I work in and around it all day long. It makes me sick to continually see the poor and working poor being referred to as "lazy" or "losers" by the likes of JBond. 250 a month for family medical is pretty steep for a family at or below the poverty line. The problem with medical insurance is that there's too many that dont have it. We need to find a way to help those people without going to UHC - UHC would be a disaster. Eventually, we'd all be forced to take it since employers will just stop offering health benfits since there's a free national program..and if you think it will be better than what you have now, you are a fool.

    Fix the existing programs to help the poor is what we should be concentrating on, not trying to find ways to implement Health Care for all. Improve the bottom-level (gov't medical insurance programs), don't lower from the top to make everything equal (UHC).
  20. sbark

    sbark Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Fix the existing programs.........you are right on the mark

    From American Thinker......

    Get the Government out of Health care....we pay more for health care in taxes than countries that provide universal coverage


    I've heard no one, on either side of the political spectrum, play up the fact that the government in the U.S. already spends more on health care than almost every other country on earth.

    But a true conservative ought to be able to work within the following guidelines.

    • Public health spending in the U.S. not to exceed current costs as a fraction of GDP (currently 6.6% of GDP).
    • Coverage of all U.S. citizens. The definition of "coverage" could be debated, but should include catastrophic type coverage as a minimum.
    • Consolidation and integration of all aspects of public health programs should be on the table, including Medicare, Medicaid, veterans' hospitals, research and all federal health programs and policies. That is, Medicare reform should be part of the deal.
    • Preservation of private choices in health care.
    • Medical tort reform.
    • Reduced mandates on individuals, insurers, health providers and states regarding health care policies and practices

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