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2013 Starting Lineup

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by xwalker, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I’m trying to make this simple and just look at a very basic upgrade to the starting lineup for 2013.

    Obviously, there will be more draft picks on the roster and possibly more Free Agents, but for now I’m just going with a few basic changes to the starting lineup. I’m including the slot WR and slot CB as well as some co-starters at a couple of positions.

    The changes from the 2012 roster are:
    All players healthy.
    Two draft picks.
    One mid-level Free Agent.

    LT – Smith
    LG – draft pick Jonathan Cooper
    OC – Costa or Kowalski or Bernadeau to start the season (work draft pick Khalad Holmes or Barrett Jones into the lineup as the season progresses)
    RG – Move Livings to this side next to Parnell
    RT - Parnell
    WR – Dez, Austin, Harris (Only 2.36M cap hit in 2013 to cut Austin vs 8.3M to keep)
    TE – Witten, Hanna
    RB - Murray
    FB – Vickers

    Could cut Austin and use the 6M in cap space to sign a decent veteran WR.

    OLB – Ware, Spencer (Franchise or sign to a new contract)
    ILB – Lee, Carter
    DE – Hatcher, Lissemore/Crawford
    NT – Ratliff and Mid-level FA like Terrance Knighton (6-3, 330)
    CB – Carr, Claiborne, Scandrick
    Safety – Sensabaugh, Church (I expect a draft pick here but not a day-1 starter)

    Play Ratliff primarily at DT in the 4-man line of the nickel defense.

  2. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    Need another safety and RT I do not trust Parnell to be our only RT next year
  3. Pessimist_cowboy

    Pessimist_cowboy Well-Known Member

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    Levitre (FA)
    Wagner (R)

    Knighton (FA)
  4. SkinsandTerps

    SkinsandTerps Redskins Forever

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    It will be a lot different than you guys are expecting.

    On both sides of the ball.
  5. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    It won't be too much thanks to Mara
  6. SkinsandTerps

    SkinsandTerps Redskins Forever

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    And you will be surprised.
  7. kmp77

    kmp77 Active Member

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    That looks way too close to our current 8-8 team :/
  8. Muhast

    Muhast Newo

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    Care to show us your predictions? (Just curious what you have in mind)
  9. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    Barrett Jones would be a day 1 starter
  10. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    That is somewhat intentional with this version of the starting lineup.

    The point being that just a few changes and the return of all injured players makes it a much better roster than 2012.

  11. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    livings might have been worse than bernie this year. i doubt jerry gets rid of both after one year but they are both worthless players.
  12. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I didn't want Rookies or 1st year starters side-by-side on the OLine on day-1.

    I would get the rookie Center some snaps as the season progresses. Houston did this very effectively with Rookie Ben Jones at RG.
  13. kmp77

    kmp77 Active Member

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    So over the first 5 games we were 2-3 with this team....so you want to just try again with the same players? So 6-10, 8-8, 8-8 the last 3 seasons.....just try again with the same formula???

    def. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
  14. Woods

    Woods Well-Known Member

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    Nice analysis, but I think we have to get 1 OL via FA.

    I don't think we can get both Cooper and an OC in the Draft PLUS we still need to get depth/starter material behind Parnell via the Draft I presume.

    Let's say we get 1 OG in FA. Then move Berny to OC. Use a 2nd rounder on another OG/RT. A guy who has the versatility to play both positions but can provide competition for Parnell Day 1.

    I agree that we need to also get 1 DL via FA. And I like Rat's role as you described. It has to be more limited snaps.

    I think we'll have to use a 4th rounder on a RB as well.
  15. DBOY3141

    DBOY3141 Well-Known Member

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    I would cut Austin in a minute. Too injured and you can't count on him. Folks will say he has good numbers, but let's not forget 2012 was also the worst rushing numbers in Cowboys history. Stats are for losers. Austin is not a dependable player and needs to move on.

    OL has to be addressed first. Cooper is a stud and day 1 starter. Parnell has more upside than Free, but I would look for a cheap RT in FA just in case.

    I think Ratliff is back, but we need two more DL.

    Safety is always a concern, but again it will not be addressed. Sensy, Church, Johnson will be the top 3 next year, even though Johnson did nothing this year.

    Too early to tell what changes will be made. How long till FA starts??
  16. HowAboutThemCowboys

    HowAboutThemCowboys Well-Known Member

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    So pretty much the same thing again. You know we they are going to have key injuries, you know that some players are going to under perform, we know Redball's offense will still be high stats with low results and we now know there is a very very VERY good chance Romo will get them close only to throw it away in the end. A couple of draft picks a FA signing won't change much.

    All good reasons to be optimist
  17. JeffInDC

    JeffInDC Well-Known Member

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    If Jerry is actually serious about making changes (maybe he finally has been embarrassed enough), I would love to see a 2013 Opening Day Lineup something like this:


    WR - Dez
    LT - Smith
    LG - Warmack/Cooper/Barrett Jones
    C - Barrett Jones/Bernadeau/Costa/FA
    RG - Livings/Bernadeau/Free
    RT - Parnell/FA/Free
    TE - Witten/Hanna/Rookie
    WR - Miles/FA Speedster (Harris in the SLOT)
    QB - Romo
    FB - Vickers
    RB - Murray


    LE - Rat
    NT - FA/Brandon Williams
    RE - Hatch
    SOLB - Spencer
    SILB - Lee
    WILB - Carter
    WOLB - Ware
    CB - Carr
    CB - Claiborne
    SS - Church
    FS - Phillip Thomas

    Rookies are in italics
  18. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the input.

    Yes, the next step up from this basic lineup would be to look at a Free Agent OG and/or Safety. I like the idea of getting one of the Jets OGs. They should both be experts in Callahan's system. This would be a safer approach since Free Agency is before the draft.

    I think that finding a future starter at Center in the draft should be a priority; although, I don't want to force the pick over a better player. It seems that OG and RT normally available in FA or later in the draft; whereas, Center is almost never available in FA and is very limited in the draft.

    Jonathan Cooper started 1 game at Center in college. If he can play Center or Guard in the NFL, then I can't foresee a better pick at #18; although there is a chance that he gets picked earlier.

    The best OG/OT in the draft is Dallas Thomas, IMO. He could go anywhere from mid-1st to mid-2nd.

    I expect a RB to be drafted around the 3rd or 4th round. I didn't show it in this projection because I was trying to focus on the starting lineup.

  19. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    ok, i'll play.

    The changes from the 2012 roster are:
    All players healthy.
    Two draft picks.
    One mid-level Free Agent.

    QB - Romo
    LT – Smith
    LG – Livings
    OC – Costa
    RG – Leary
    RT - Lane Johnson R2 rookie
    WR – Dez, Johnny Knox (Texas kid and mid-level FA signing; replaces Austin at low yr 1 price tag), Harris ---Austin cut
    TE – Witten, Hanna (Hanna de facto 4th WR)
    RB - Murray
    FB – Vickers

    OLB – Ware, Spencer
    ILB – Lee, Carter
    DE – Hatcher, Crawford
    NT – Ratliff, Lissemore
    CB – Carr, Claiborne, Scandrick
    Safety – Eric Reid r1 rookie, Church/Sensy

    Key depth:
    Harris at WR/returner
    Parnell as Swing OT,
    Cook as back up C and emergency OT.
    Bern as swing interior Back up OL.
    Matt Johnson as nickel back.
    Ernie Sims resigned as 3rd ILB while Connor released to save the cap hit. Sims is ~2m cheaper

    Will project to have a r4-6 RB as back up for Murray.

    To me that is a sure-fire playoff team ON PAPER.
    Then again give me sean lee and bruce carter for 16 and this 2012 team is as well imho.
  20. cowboy_ron

    cowboy_ron You Can't Fix Stupid

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    Johnny Knox was broke in half last year..doubt he ever plays again


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