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30 for 30: Survive & Advance Re: Jim Valvano & NC State

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by yimyammer, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. yimyammer

    yimyammer Well-Known Member

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    Great show, highly recommend. Its about Jim Valvano & his national championship NC State team that beat Phi Jamma Slamma (Houston) in 1983.

    I grew up watching college basketball in this era and it was great. Now, I hardly ever watch. It doesn't seem the same or anywhere near as compelling, seems like since none of the best players stay around, the college game has lost its allure.

    Anyone else feel this way or am I just being a sentimental old fart?

    Trailer
  2. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Outstanding.

    That was certainly the heyday for college hoops. Not being an old fogie here, it's just indisputable.

    Think of just the 82-83 time frame with Gtown (Ewing, Floyd et al), UNC (Jordan, Worth, Perkins...), Virginia (Sampson et al), Houston (Olajuwan, Drexler et al), UNLV...etc.
    Those teams were loaded with College and NBA HOFers.

    The teams were just SO much better overall.

    I lived in NC back then. Can you imagine UNC, Duke, NC State all winning titles and all within a few miles of each other? Crazy stuff. Then Wake Forest was not far away either.
  3. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I was at that game.
  4. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    If only Houston could hit free throws.
  5. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Wow.

    I got to see two great ones
    UNC over Michigan (Webber timout game). I was sitting behind Jerry Tarkanian and beside (3 people over from) Nick Nolte..lol.
    Foul line extended, 8th row.

    Also saw Jordan make the shot vs Georgetown.

    Both games were in New Orleans
  6. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    People talk about the timeout but the ball should never have been down the court because Webber walked at his own free throw line after Sullivan missed the FT.
  7. jimmy40

    jimmy40 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if any other coach or player is not in their Hall of Fame because of one game like Guy Lewis. Hopefully he makes it this year, he won't be around much longer.
  8. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    That's right, he traveled and we were all out of our chairs yelling for it. Anyway, they UNC had the lead and they had him trapped when he called TO anyway.
  9. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    yep and as Dean Smith aka God said later, Heels only had 2-3 fouls to give so they could have just kept fouling to run out the clock.
  10. yimyammer

    yimyammer Well-Known Member

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    I cant remember, did those Houston teams ever win a national championship?
  11. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    nope, lost back to back Finals IIRC.
  12. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    It's not just your imagination. Scoring and shooting percentage in college basketball has been plummeting for decades. This seasons' NCAA average shooting percentage is the lowest it's been since 1965.

    Since any talented big man jumps to the pros at the first opportunity, college basketball has just become a perimeter game where 5 guys pass the pass the ball around the key with no purpose until a few seconds are left on the shot clock and someone jacks up a low percentage three. There's been a couple of D1 games this year where teams didn't even score double digits in a half. I tried to watch some this weekend and it was an absolutely unwatchable product.
  13. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    No doubt that all these one and done guys are hurting college basketball. While I think the product is great every year, you lose out on both dynasties and great rivalries because guys simply aren't around long enough.

    I think eventually, there will be a rule that, if you go to college, you have to stay 2 years.
  14. yimyammer

    yimyammer Well-Known Member

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    Its ironic how money helps to build up a sport but eventually seems to tear it down...I miss getting excited about college B-ball. Wish there was a way they could put the cat back in the bag and keep them there 3 years
  15. mldardy

    mldardy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that 2nd one they just lost to a better team in Georgetown. I would have loved to have seen Drexler on that 84 team against that Georgetown team.
  16. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    I agree... I haven't watched college basketball in ages. It'd diluted the NBA product as well, even for the big men. There is a reason the two best big men in the NBA are Howard and Bynum. One has only one offenseive post move and the other, can't stay healthy. And they both are head-cases.
  17. CowboyDan

    CowboyDan Anger is a Gift

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    I agree, it was great! I really enjoyed watching it and it really made me miss Jimmy V. It really made me miss basketball in the 80's too. Pro and college b-ball was so much better back then.
  18. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Growing with that level of hoops intensity left deep roots in me as a fan.

    If I was growing up in today's current college basketball atmosphere, I would not have anwhere near the long-term love for the game.

    March Madness is always fun. Back then the interest level for many areas of the country was heavy throughout the season and beyond.
  19. DallasCowpoke

    DallasCowpoke Fierce Allegiance

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    That championship game was great drama, but it paled in comparison to the Houston vs Louisville "final four" game. That game was off the charts for, "OMG...DID YOU SEE THAT!!??" moments.

    Game Notes:
    • Louisville led 41-36 at half time.
    • In the second half, while trailing 57-49, Houston switched to a man-to-man defense and in a 3:30 span, went on a 17-1 run, to take a 66-58 lead.
    • In the final 12:37 of the game, Houston made 10 dunks, including six in a row, and finished the game with a total of 14 dunks.
    • Clyde Drexler finished the game with 21 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists.

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