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4-3 Weakside Defensive End List

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by MichaelWinicki, Apr 23, 2014.

  1. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    4-3 Weakside Defensive End List
    Using Ourlads 2014 Draft Guide as the primary resouce...

    I'm only listing prospects who seem to have the capability to play
    the weakside defensive end spot in a 4-3 defense... some may argue that some of
    the prospects listed can't– and that's OK too.

    This type of player would or should have the following qualifications:
    1. A history in college of being able to get sacks. If they don't have the pedigree as
    someone who can sack the QB in college, then they probably aren't someone the
    Cowboys should be interested in.
    2. Speed over bulk. This player's first responsibility is to rush the QB and not
    hold the edge vs the running game. Strength takes a back seat to speed. Agility
    figures into this too.

    Anyway on to the list:
    1. Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina- 6'5" 266lbs 4.53 forty. Top 5 pick.

    2. Anthony Barr, UCLA- 6'4" 255lbs 4.59 forty. 1st round.

    3. Trent Murphy, Stanford- 6'5" 250lbs 4.85 forty. 1st/2nd round.

    4. Dee Ford, Auburn- 6'2" 252lbs 4.56 forty. 1st/2nd round.

    5. Jeremiah Attaochu, Georgia Tech- 6'3" 252lbs 4.65 forty. 2nd/3rd round.

    6. Marcus Smith, Louisville- 6'3" 261lbs 4.68 forty. 2nd/3rd round.

    7. Chris Smith, Arkansas- 6'1" 266lbs 4.71 forty. 2nd/3rd round.

    8. Jackson Jeffcoat, Texas- 6'3" 247lbs 4.63 forty. 3rd/4th round.

    9.Demarcus Lawrence, Boise State- 6'2" 251lbs 4.82 forty. 3rd/4th round.

    10. Trevor Reilly, Utah- 6'4" 247lbs 4.67 forty. 4th/5th round.

    11. Cassius Marsh, UCLA- 6'4" 252lbs 4.86 forty. 4th/5th round.

    12. James Gayle, Virginia Tech- 6'3" 259lbs 4.68 forty. 4th/5th round.

    13. Adrian Hubbard, Alabama- 6'6 257lbs 4.68 forty. 5th/6th round.

    14. Larry Webster, Bloomsburg- 6'5" 252lbs 4.58 forty. 5th/6th round.

    15. Shaquil Barrett, Colorado State- 6'1" 260lbs 4.75 forty. 6th/7th round

    16. Zach Moore, Concordia-St. Paul- 6'5" 269lbs 4.79 forty. 7th round/PFA

    17. Chidera Uzo-Diribe, Colorado- 6'2" 252lbs 4.65 forty. 7th round/PFA

    18. Kasim Edebali, Boston College- 6'2" 253lbs 4.79 forty. 7th round/PFA
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  2. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Hubbard and Shaquil Barrett are two players I think are very underrated.
  3. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Barrett is interesting. I watched him a lot. Great season for the Rams but I gotta tell you, against UNM, I thought he got handled. In 46 rushing attempts, he registered 1 Solo, 3 Assists. Our QB trucked him. Of course, our QB is 230 lbs but still. I was not all that impressed with him in that game.
  4. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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    Good job. This is a very weak draft for WDE.
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  5. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I like Barrett.
  6. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Attaochu ran a 4.57, not a 4.65. I think some of these numbers might be off.

    Demarcus Lawrence ran a 4.69 at his Pro Day.

    A UDFA type is Elhadji Ndiaye. He appears to be super quick/fast but has minimal experience playing football.
  7. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    When it comes to the 40 times Ourlads seems to err on the side of caution and take numbers that are more conservative. Probably all the prospects listed have posted better times at some point.
  8. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I think they might publish their number before some of the Pro Days and are just guessing.
  9. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    That could be.

    I'm not big on using pro-day numbers because that's going to give optimum results. I'm comfortable using the combine results myself.
  10. DoctorChicken

    DoctorChicken Well-Known Member

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    Clowney is great.

    Barr is great.

    Murphy is good.

    Ford is good.

    Attaochu is good.

    Marcus Smith is really good.

    Chris Smith is horrible.

    Jeffcoat is Horrible.

    Lawrence is decent.

    Reilly is decent.

    Marsh is underrated.

    Gayle is decent.

    Hubbard is decent.

    Webster is fine.

    Barrett is decent.

    Moore is fine.

    Haven't watched the last two.
  11. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Not all players have combine numbers.
  12. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    Yea, there are a handful of names on there I don't like at all.
  13. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    I understand.

    I know the combine track has a reputation for being "slow" deserved or not. But usually comparing the combine number with the pro-day number... Well I think the pro-day number is usually a little better.
  14. brooksey1

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    It's not necessarily speed over strength but the combination of speed, strength and length. You have to set the edge, play the run and be able to rush the passer. I'm not big on 6'3 250 guys doing this on a full time basis in a base 4-3, however their pass rushing can make up for it, if it's elite speed. Barr is the guy, Ford and Attatochu maybe that guy, but they're probably better off in a 3-4 OLB spot. They may also be used as rotational pass russ specialists.

    True 4-3 DE's guys missing from the list with enough speed to play the weak side:

    Kareem Martin 6'6 270 4.7 forty 35 inch arms
    Aaron Lynch 6'6 260 4.6 forty 34 1/2 inch arms
  15. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that is the common belief. I studied the player that did both in the past. I don't have the exact numbers, but about 2/3rds ran faster at the Pro Day and about 1/3 ran slower. You have to consider that some of the guys that did both were coming off an injury and had about an extra month to recover before the Pro Day. If you take those guys out of the 2/3rds, then it's probably close to 50/50.
  16. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Fair enough.

    But I think Lawrence's combine time is probably more indicative of his speed... It's like this, I think the guy is a good prospect, but I think he's more quick than he is fast.
  17. JIMMYBUFFETT

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  18. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Why do you say this?
  19. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Lawrence is really difficult to evaluate. He's consistently a better rusher in college than some of the quicker/faster guys, but regardless of Pro Day or Combine, it's obvious in game footage that he does not have elite speed/quickness; however, neither did guys like Terrell Suggs (4.84 forty).

    It's interesting that he has super big hands (11") because he is really good at fighting off blocks which is an issue for guys like Barr and Attouchu.
  20. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    I was gonna say he reminds me of a poor-mans Terrell Suggs.

    I wouldn't have a problem with the Cowboys drafting the kid... Just not in the 1st round! LOL!

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