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  1. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    These aren't special needs children and I'm not at all sure you are right with regards to home schooling.
  2. CanadianCowboysFan

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    I never stated they are, but parents expect a lot are always willing to sue and you cannot win as a school board.

    Often those who want to home school really don't have the mental ability to teach their children and they lose out on the social side of school. In my view, home schooling is just wrong.
  3. ABQCOWBOY

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    Which is exactly why I said that measures need to be taken to limit this kind of pointless litigation.

    Actually, home schooling requires independent testing of the children and in may places, also requires teaching certificates from the parents. I agree that social skills are not served as well as I would like them to be but in light of what I've seen schools trying to teach children recently, I'm not at all convinced that the trade off is not worth it. Children were taught at home for many years. It's not wrong if you are willing to do it correctly. What's wrong is forcing children to be subjected to certain behaviors IMO.

    We disagree.
  4. burmafrd

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    someone always puffing up the government will always be against anything that threatens its power. Home schooling threatens the government since they no longer control what is taught.

    With what is taught in schools today; and the various dangers in schools today; frankly any parent that can home school should.

    And this so called social lack the whiners complain about is bs - ESPECIALLY in this day and age of anything and everything done by text, ipod, whatever.
  5. CanadianCowboysFan

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    Marine, could you teach algebra? Could you teach the themes from Hamlet, MacBeth, King Lear etc?
  6. ABQCOWBOY

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    I am certain this is not addressed towards me but I will go ahead and just throw my opinion in as it's something that I do have some small experience in.

    MARINE - Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Essential. Don't believe this for one second, Marine is not code for stupid. Not saying that this is what you are implying but I am saying that this is not a true statement.

    If I had to learn to teach any of these things, I could. If it was the difference between my child learning to survive and not, I would. Heck, anymore, you have to teach your kids this stuff anyway because everything is sent home as homework. Now, I'm certain that it would me more difficult for some then for others but the other side of that equation is that if those children are taught by their parents, they won't be learning how to bully or be bullied in person or over the net or via text. They won't be learning various hateful attitudes towards people. They won't be learning bias opinions towards certain issues or subjects. They won't be taught things that are against that parents views.

    There is also something to be said for that.
  7. CanadianCowboysFan

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    I think that is a little naive. as that assumes parents don't espouse hateful views, aren't biased (face it a Republican Christian house for example is not going to teach their child liberal atheist views) and in many cases, being taught things against parents' views is a good thing.

    Those same children might very well be bullied for being homeschooled.
  8. Denim Chicken

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    Dude, you obviously don't know any public school teachers. I do and can anecdotally confirm that they are not smarter then the average individual.
  9. CanadianCowboysFan

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    Never stated they were but they are trained to do what they do and face it most parents do not have the time (with both working outside the home) to learn the stuff we would be expected to teach our tots.
  10. Denim Chicken

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    You should have already learned it through your own education, at least superficially. Anyhow, they don't have to learn it. They just use the Government lesson plans.
  11. CanadianCowboysFan

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    trust me, if you do not understand the material yourself, you cannot teach it
  12. Denim Chicken

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    Not well, anyway...

    Much of the stuff they teach is inaccurate anyway. Especially history.
  13. ABQCOWBOY

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    Perhaps, but the point is, the Parents are the ones who should rightfully be deciding what their children should be exposed to, not teachers who may or may not have very different views on the world.

    If the parents are as you describe above, then it speaks even more to the point that those parents should consider home schooling. To your point on bullying, who is going to bully those children if they are being taught at home?

    This is the problem, it all comes down to politics, apparently. For me, it's more about raising kids who are not little monsters. Kids who do not get off on thinking it is OK to torment other children to the point that those kids are miserable, unbalanced and perhaps, even suicidal.

    After reading this last post of yours, I am even more convinced that parents should be considering this as an option.
  14. CanadianCowboysFan

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    I don't know about that, they might teach a different perspective. Like teaching that the US Civil War was ultimately about slavery and the slave vs free system might not be in vogue in some circles and be considered wrong, but in other circles, it is considered the right view.
  15. CanadianCowboysFan

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    the home school children do probably play sports unless there is some home school league too, they will get it then

    you are making big assumptions that somehow home school children will be better adapted, less violent, less mean etc, not sure if that is correct.

    I have a son in the public system, not is isn't the be all, and I wish he didn't just learn about first nations history in social studies but even if I taught him at home, he would still receive biased views of what was taught, except it would be my bias. He gets that anyway, so at least he might get a different view of the world in school. The more views and viewpoints to which you are exposed, the better.
  16. ABQCOWBOY

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    The home school children join leagues, just like any other kid does. Believe it or not, if you want to play Little League in this country, or Minors, or even AAU Ball, you don't have to go to a school. If you want to play HS Ball, you still don't have to go to that HS. You simply have to be in that Schools district and you have to be able to make the team. Home Schooling really doesn't come into play there.

    I don't know about you but in any sport I have ever been associated with, we have never had enough time to sit around and text crap or generally torment team mates. That's the thing about sports. If you are good or if you put out effort, team mates will accept you and yeah, you will get your normal amount of ribbing but it's not about social butterfly crap. It's about winning and that does not lend itself to bullying IMO. However, lets say you are correct and the kids do get bullied at practice. Do you think that they wouldn't also get bullied at school? If anything, all you are doing is limiting the exposure towards that sort of behavior.

    Same with Football or Basketball or whatever.

    I am making no assumptions. I am simply stating the fact that parents will generally love their children more then teachers will and because of this, they will not allow them to stray down the wrong paths as easily as will teachers or other students. No assumption there. I believe that's a generally accepted view.

    My personal view on this is, if you teach your children right, raise them strong, it won't matter what other people do or say. They will not be strong enough to bring your child down. He or she will have the necessary background to overcome all that petty nonsense.
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  17. Hoofbite

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    Wow. That's........stupid.

    Don't know why or how I botched that.
  18. Section444

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    Ah, so they're taking the NFL approach, take all the fun out of everything.

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