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Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by SuspectCorner, May 28, 2009.

  1. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape'

    Photographs of alleged prisoner abuse which Barack Obama is attempting to censor include images of apparent rape and sexual abuse, it has emerged.

    By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent and Paul Cruickshank / from The London Telegraph website /
    Last Updated: 8:21AM BST 28 May 2009

    At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

    Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.

    Another apparently shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.

    Detail of the content emerged from Major General Antonio Taguba, the former army officer who conducted an inquiry into the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq.

    Allegations of rape and abuse were included in his 2004 report but the fact there were photographs was never revealed. He has now confirmed their existence in an interview with the Daily Telegraph.

    The graphic nature of some of the images may explain the US President’s attempts to block the release of an estimated 2,000 photographs from prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan despite an earlier promise to allow them to be published.

    Maj Gen Taguba, who retired in January 2007, said he supported the President’s decision, adding: “These pictures show torture, abuse, rape and every indecency.

    “I am not sure what purpose their release would serve other than a legal one and the consequence would be to imperil our troops, the only protectors of our foreign policy, when we most need them, and British troops who are trying to build security in Afghanistan.

    “The mere description of these pictures is horrendous enough, take my word for it.”

    In April, Mr Obama’s administration said the photographs would be released and it would be “pointless to appeal” against a court judgment in favour of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

    But after lobbying from senior military figures, Mr Obama changed his mind saying they could put the safety of troops at risk.

    Earlier this month, he said: “The most direct consequence of releasing them, I believe, would be to inflame anti-American public opinion and to put our troops in greater danger.”

    It was thought the images were similar to those leaked five years ago, which showed naked and bloody prisoners being intimidated by dogs, dragged around on a leash, piled into a human pyramid and hooded and attached to wires.

    Mr Obama seemed to reinforce that view by adding: “I want to emphasise that these photos that were requested in this case are not particularly sensational, especially when compared to the painful images that we remember from Abu Ghraib.”

    The latest photographs relate to 400 cases of alleged abuse between 2001 and 2005 in Abu Ghraib and six other prisons. Mr Obama said the individuals involved had been “identified, and appropriate actions” taken.

    Maj Gen Taguba’s internal inquiry into the abuse at Abu Ghraib, included sworn statements by 13 detainees, which, he said in the report, he found “credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses.”

    Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

    The translator was an American Egyptian who is now the subject of a civil court case in the US.

    Three detainees, including the alleged victim, refer to the use of a phosphorescent tube in the sexual abuse and another to the use of wire, while the victim also refers to part of a policeman’s “stick” all of which were apparently photographed.
  2. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    Terribly shameful, if true. Just a disgusting abuse of power, dignity and human rights.

    I hope those photographs never get released.
  3. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    ITs absolutely true that if the photos show this and are released, US troops will be killed because of it. So there is no justification for doing it. Its not like the US has not been grilled and put over the coals because of Abu Ghraib.
  4. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    Oh please NO - the descriptions are bad enough that I, myself, wouldn't want to be exposed to the pictures.

    Unfortunately, the harm done to our country's name and reputation during the Bush-Cheney administration simply cannot be overstated.
  5. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    This would have probably happened no matter who was president. Sadly this is not the first nor the last time that military prisons have done this.
  6. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    The last time this "story" came out was in 2004.

    It was proven to be fake propaganda using "reality" porn site pictures back then.

    Forgive me if I do not believe this until actual evidence other than hearsay has been given that was originally posted by the Huffington Post.

    I understand that a few people want this to be true.
  7. MetalHead

    MetalHead Benched

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    Did the alleged rape occurred before of after the beheadings...oh wait,they still have their heads attached to their bodies?

    It is breathtakingly naive how the left sees war.
    An utopian vision,where everybody follows the "rules of war"....It war people!
    atrocities happen during it.Always!
    You want to really show me something atrocious???
    Show me pictures of aborted fetuses...at least those Iraqi scumbags had a chance to make a choice.
  8. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    While your rationalizations for the complete lack of Bush-Cheney oversight (at the very least) may satisfy you - they don't quite cut it for me. Not even close.
  9. Viper

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    My first question would be, is this the norm? If this came from the top, I would have a problem with it. As great as the American soldier is, it is unfortunate that the military does have it's own group of criminals. The military has always been very good at handling these types of incidents. So my next question would be, have any of these offenders been brought to justice?
  10. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Well suspect do you think I care what you think? You hate our country as your post history has proven. So why don't you do some research and see some of the problems our military prisons had in the 90's when your Slick Willy was president. You won't of course.
  11. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    What's REALLY breathtaking is your feeble defense of the Bush-Cheney sloughing off of long-held and sacred American principles - all the while insisting that no matter how low we go we're NOT YET at a moral and ethical point equivalent to that of the MURDERERS, RELIGIOUS LUNATICS, and ASSASSINS we do battle with. More evidence of where the bar is set for you. It's on the ground right next to the nest of snakes we can STILL claim moral superiority over - as long as we make a concerted effort to SHUN miopic shortcut thinking like yours. And the corresponding actions subsequent to such short-sightedness.
  12. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Or as long as we ignore the haters of the US like you.....
  13. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    I love that your main concern here is the photos getting released, not the disgusting act themselves.

    I personally hope the reports are wrong because, if true, this is absolutely sickening.
  14. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Like I said earlier this week ..... at least they waited till the day after Memorial Day to start slandering the Military with articles originally from the Huffington Post.
  15. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    GET OVER IT! i'm sorry we had 8 years of someone you didn't like in office but now all you look for are reasons to hold onto that hate. clinton getting hummers in the oval office and lying about it - hurt.

    carter - hurt.

    we can all pick the "OH NOS!!!!" of who we don't like and focus ONLY on that. but i hate to tell you this but our military has things like this in likely every war. not because we want it to happen but because it does. to focus on one admin or person is sheer choice - NOTHING MORE.

    the harm done to our country by fanatical libs running around apologizing all the time and trying to help those who want us dead is far more damaging to me - it says we can't come together despite our differences but we'll let our differences forever keep us apart.

    that just makes us an easy target.

    i'm not singling you out - many conservatives have turned tail and do nothing but look for obama bullets at every opportunity also - it SUCKS.

    so please, keep the drama in the movies and stop pretending someone who does something you personally will be the downfall of our great country.
  16. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Well COUNT I can guess you clearly do not care about the troops being killed due to the photo's being released but then that is not a surprise.
  17. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    That's you and your ilk in a nutshell. "Our country can do no wrong and any American who has the audacity to dare notice otherwise - hates the US."

    I want the best for our country and when she strays from her glorious path I'm going to be very vocal about it. That's because I'm confident that she is capable of much more than the low expectations you appear to have for her.
  18. Viper

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    America has never been the America you think she is, this higher ground than everyone else never really existed.

    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/9782/atrocities.htm
  19. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament... Zone Supporter

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    I remember that... let's hope these are the same pictures in question.

    If these are legit, let the military try them. If guilty, they'll get it much worse under a military court.

    I read it that releasing them would put good soldiers in danger at the expense of a political point. I agree.

    If these pics are legit, then it won't be hard to ID the offenders, then they can be tried as individuals in court as opposed to our entire military being tried in the court of public opinion...
  20. Viper

    Viper Active Member

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    I agree trick, it wouldn't surprise me if the military was already handling this.

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