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All these trade back threads reminder

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by 44cowboys22, Apr 16, 2013.

  1. 44cowboys22

    44cowboys22 Active Member

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    Seem too me, the last time this thought of trading back didnt pan out too well....if I remember correctly.

    NO THANKS...take whatever player is at 18 unless we move only a couple spots or pick up 2 2nd rounders-and that aint happen
  2. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    2009 was a disaster mostly because they picked the wrong players and started without a 1st round pick in the first place. But no doubt, they were trade happy that day too.

    But if it gives you any comfort, in the two drafts since Garrett has been head coach, dallas has not traded back even once. That has to be a new record for Jerry. I think the last two draft have not been too bad.

    69) Terrance knighton
    76) Mike Wallace
    101) Henry Melton
    110) DJ Moore
    120) Andrea Brown

    4 more picks after that
    etc. etc

    Nobody picks the right guy every round, but as you can see, there were chances to get good players with those trade downs.

    I wouldn't throw the idea out entirely due to the 2009 disaster draft.
  3. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    Give me a break. Just because something didn't work once does not mean you should never try it again. That's an absurdly illogical philosophy.
  4. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    we should only trade back if the guys that they want @ #18 are gone AND we have a suitable partner...gotta try to get another 2nd or 3rd if they are going to trade down
  5. Hardline

    Hardline Well-Known Member

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    I wouldnt mind a small trade back,Especially if 3 of my targeted players are still on the board and you felt all 3 wouldn't be selected beforehand.
  6. Kristen82

    Kristen82 Benched

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    If at for example OT there's not much qualitative difference between a guy you get at 18 and a guy you can get at 28, why not try to trade down?
  7. NJ22

    NJ22 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. When the 09 draft started and we had all of those picks, I thought we were setup perfectly to package and bundle those picks and move up to take 5-6 of the best guys available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of an awful draft class. It was the worst draft ever to trade down in, unless we traded for 2010 picks. This draft is better suited as it is deep, but of course you don't trade down for the hell of it. Depends on who is there when you pick and how sweet the trade deal is.

  8. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Is this English? The individual words appear to be English; however, I can't make much sense out of what appear to be sentences.

    I guess that you might be referring to the 2009 draft where the Cowboys traded down. If that is what your are referencing, that draft didn't fail due to trading down, it failed due to picking the wrong players. It has been presented here before. All you have to do is look at the players that were available at the Cowboys picks in that draft and you will see that there were many good players available.
  9. Maxmadden

    Maxmadden Active Member

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    We absolutely will trade down. Book it. Hopefully not in the first couple of rounds but at some point of the draft Jerry is going to pick up a 7th rounder. Teams value 7th rounders because they can take a chance on a player and they can keep them from going the UDFA route.
  10. CyberB0b

    CyberB0b Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    The problem is the man with the false face making the football decisions. He is quite good at picking the wrong players, it seems.
  11. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I think Dallas should trade UP to get Cooper if he falls to the teens. They can get creative and trade back some spots in the 2nd and 3rd to trade up without sacrificing a pick. Cooper seems to be the key to straightening out the line. Parnell can battle a guy like Winston or Clabo and Bern can battle Costa.
  12. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    The damage caused by trading our 2nd for a 3rd & 4th has been grossly overstated. This draft class failed because of the Roy Williams trade taking away so many top resources, first and foremost.
  13. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Keep in mind that Guards are typically drafted later than draftniks and mock drafts project. DeCastro was the Andrew Luck of Guard prospects last year and slipped all the way to 24.
  14. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Usually. We'll see if Warmack goes top 10 then it's a good chance Cooper won't make it to 18. Hopefully teams start reaching for QBs and OTs and the OGs fall.
  15. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I just can't buy either going top 10. In the last ten years only 8 guards have been drafted in the first round, only once (last year) have multiple guards been drafted in the first round, and the highest one has been drafted has been 17th overall.
  16. slomoxn

    slomoxn Well-Known Member

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    Not with our 20 year hm doing the same things over and over. Not saying they shouldn't try it again but Dallas had taken the short end of the stick too many times.
  17. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    Every year as the draft draws near people begin the trade down scenarios.

    The usual comments look like some pimply-faced kid with a lap colored orange from Cheetos and the X-Box controls in his hand as the latest Madden game is on the screen for the twenty-sixth straight hour.

    There is a theme here of trading down and getting value.

    In most cases when a fan makes the trade in the ether of the internet, that trade is one mid-first round for a later first rounder plus a second and a fifth.

    Then the fan singles out players who he/she will take who would never be that low in the draft if 18 of the 32 war rooms had a simultaneous explosion, wiping out all the brain trusts of the other teams who then could not make it to the stage in time to pick.

    My contention is simple.

    Regardless of "The Chart," two lesser talented players rarely equal one really good player.

    Now having said that the anecdotal examples will fly trying to justify trading down as one or two or even a dozen examples means the odds sway greatly in favor of the trading down team.

    But what is not factored into the mix is the group making the downward trade and their ability to pick a cow out of a pasture full of cow droppings.

    This team needs playmakers. That can be someone in the trenches.

    This team does not need to trade away a player that can prosper for a couple of others just because two is better than one.

    But in the minds of the sleep deprived kid with orange fingertips and a brain a few minutes away from a major seizure from over exposure to the subtle screen movement for too long, that equation always ends up where Dallas trades away a bucket of cow tinkle and gets back two Hall of Famers.

    And Katherine Heigl just walked into my bedroom in a peek-a-boo nighty and a smile that promises everything.

    See ya, folks, I have some dancing to do.
  18. morasp

    morasp Well-Known Member

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    Broadus said he thought they had first round grades on only 16 players. If those players are gone by 18 I wouldn't mind trading down. Why pay a premium on a player you could get an equivalent of later plus add picks. I think our drafts have been a lot better lately with this RKOG system.
  19. Joe Rod

    Joe Rod When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong

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    Yep, and it is very possible that those guys are all gone this year when Dallas picks. If they miss out on a first round grade, then they might as well see if they can get three players with a second round grade instead of two.
  20. morasp

    morasp Well-Known Member

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    I think that's the key. Jimmy Johnson did it with lots of picks. His first round expertise was good but not great. Even Emmitt Smith was his second choice after Blair Thomas was gone. I have more confidence in our ability to pick players based on the last few years.

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