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Anthony Barr set to visit Cowboys

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by morasp, Mar 28, 2014.

  1. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    shazier @ #16? unless there is something that hasn't come out in regards to him, I see him more like a late first early 2nd at best....maybe if they traded down into the mid-twenties
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  2. AsthmaField

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    I would also think Donald would be in that second group.

    I would gladly take any of the names in Bold.

    Too bad Mack isn't going to get close to us... I love the way that guy plays. He is my favorite non-QB in this draft.
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  3. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    Shazier has exceptional talent. He's got phenomenal physical traits and he has a football mind to go along with them. Plus, he's a leader in the locker room and is the type of guy you want on your team. The thing is though, it is the position he plays (43 OLB) and his somewhat undersized stature that pushes him down to the late first or early second round, as you alluded to above.

    Shazier is actually a lot like Aaron Donald in that he has everything you could possibly want in a prospect except size. The main difference being that Donald plays a position that is typically drafted high while Shazier plays a position that usually slides in the draft.

    The good news is that Dallas is fine with their size and is one of only about 4 teams that would be fine with their stature.

    I still hold out hope that there is some way for Dallas to come out of the draft with Donald in the first and then Shazier with a slight trade up in the second to the early parts of that round. Those two (along with Melton) would go a long, long way towards reshaping the defense. They both are phenomenal talents that will be drafted later than they should because of size and/or position.
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  4. GroundUp

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    This is what I keep thinking too.
  5. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Oh yeah, Donald for sure is in the 2nd group. Thanks
  6. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    Did Wares injuries start to occur after the switch to 4/3?
  7. Little Jr

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    Neck,shoulder elbow happen while playing the 34. Quad,hammy,back in the 43. In the 4th game of the year in the 43. So I don't know how much you can blame on the switch to the 43.
  8. waving monkey

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    check
  9. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    Mack is my favorite player in the draft, period. I, personally, am not a big fan of any of the QBs (there are about 5 or 6 that I think can be good NFL QBs, I just don't see us taking one, at least not early)...but, I wouldn't mind Mack getting a traffic ticket or something to make him drop a little :D


    ...and, I saw your other post on Shazier. I think he is very good, I just don't see him mocked by anyone anywhere near our #16 pick....but, if we did the trade down and pick up the extra pick move, then you never know
  10. starfrombirth

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    No disrespect to Demarcus but I believe he was too light. I think it was that that kept him playing hurt. He's been friggin phenomenal but imagine if he had started out 15 lbs bigger. When you're running into 320 lb slabs of meat play after play, game after game, year after year, I think size matters. I've been banging my gavel for us to go bigger on the dline. I'm still hoping.
  11. xwalker

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    How many 3-4 OLBs are 270 lbs?
  12. starfrombirth

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    I know that technically he was listed as a lb for many years but I look at the battles... first he didn't start out at 270lbs. That was added over the years, which again, I think was to his end detriment. Second, although he was technically an olb, the truth was that he was used as a DE more often than not. Play after play, he smashed into 320 lbs of meat and that was when he wasn't getting double teamed. There is an exponential stress effect related to weight and that takes it's toll over time. . . and Barr is even smaller. Now, you want to draft him as a lb and play him as a lb who rushes on rush downs or blitzes??? Fine but don't draft him as a DE. Don't set him up for failure. That's a disservice to him and more importantly.. us.
  13. Risen Star

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    I need to see his short shuttle and three cone times before I have any opinion on the player.
  14. AsthmaField

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    Yeah, Shazier won't go until the late first round at the earliest, IMO. I think there is a shot of him sliding out of the first altogether because of his size and the position he plays. That's why I can see a scenario where Dallas has him rated as a mid-first rounder and he slides out of the first and into the second, prompting Dallas to make a slight trade up to get him.

    If that does happen on the heels of us taking Donald with our first pick, I would be ecstatic. Donald and Shazier would add some serious athleticism to the defense. Both are exactly what the doctor ordered for Marinelli's scheme.
  15. xwalker

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    Ware was never 270.

    Barr was 6-5, 255 at the combine. At 6-5, I'll be surprised if he doesn't get up to 265 easily. Even at 6-5, 255 he is the exact same size as Charles Haley.

    The Seahawks had WDEs Cliff Avril 6-3, 260 and Chris Clemons 6-3, 254. Other DEs that come to mind: Dwight Freeney 6-1, 268, Robert Mathis 6-2, 246, Elvis Dumerville 5-11, 260.

    The Weak Side DE in Marinelli's scheme is rarely required to set a hard edge against the run. Ware had more run contain responsibilities in the 3-4 than he did in the Marinelli/Kiffin 4-3.
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  16. Risen Star

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    I agree. Total beast.

    Unless he has short arms like Justin Pugh. I have to check my dork notes.
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  17. Fredd

    Fredd Well-Known Member

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    +1 for the comment on your notes :D
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  18. starfrombirth

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    And how has our light in the pants dline worked for us?
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  19. xwalker

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    The Cowboys won 3 Super Bowls with Charles Haley as the RDE at 6-5, 255.

    As stated in my previous post, the most recent Super Bowl winner had 2 DEs (Avril 6-3, 260 and Clemons 6-3, 254) that weren't much bigger than Barr and Barr will probably end up bigger being that he's 2 inches taller.

    The Cowboys DLine in 2013 was not really "light in the pants".

    The DTs were not undersized with Hatcher and Hayden.

    Selvie is 6-4, 270 which is not undersized. His primary backup was Wynn at 6-3, 285.

    That just leaves Ware at 6-4, 260 and Brown at 6-1, 263.
  20. cowboyschmps3

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    Would you have him as a full time DE, or linebacker and have him rush the passer on 3rd down? Like a Von Miller, and what the Seahawks do with their linebackers?

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