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Anybody Do A No Wheat, No Dairy Diet/Cleanse?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by Stryker44, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. JIMMYBUFFETT

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    I ask myself the same thing. When they come up with a diet that includes cheese enchiladas, cow flesh, fried eggs, Almond Joys, Kung Pao chicken, cheese burgers, and beer let me know.
  2. AmberBeer

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    It's like the old Fram filter commercial. Pay me now, or pay me later.
  3. Doc50

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    Show me the study.

    Pitocin should be used only for difficult or protracted labor, especially that which is expected to last more that 24 hrs past amnionic rupture -- prolonged exposure without delivery may result in significant infection. Signs of early fetal distress, maternal distress, or other complications may certainly lead appropriately to Pitocin usage. The need for C-section may arise in such cases if pitocin fails.

    Complications, some catastrophic, will occur during seemingly routine childbirth. All obstetricians live this on a daily basis. They will not be at all motivated to create risk factors which would be indefensible in court. If they want to keep practicing medicine, they will have clear evidence for the use of additional measures designed to reduce risk and improve outcome.
  4. Kristen82

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    Yep, simple carbs turn into sugar which turn into fat, and the effect of potatoes on your blood glucose levels is roughly 75 percent of the effect consuming pure glucose has.
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  5. Jenky

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    All carbs are broken down to sugars by the body and sugar doesn't turn into fat.
  6. dexternjack

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    Carbs to sugars which triggers the pancreas to produce insulin. Too much and this triggers the liver into producing triglycerides which turn into fat cells. Am I correct? Or something along those lines, heh.
  7. Jenky

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    Excess in energy can be stored as fat. But what is too much?

    The liver glycogen levels would have to be filled first, then the muscle glycogen levels. Even the blood stream requires small amounts of glycogen as well as other organs. If any glucose exists after your two major storage tanks are filled up, chances are you store the excess energy in fat cells.

    If I ate too much protein, I can get fat. If I ate too much carbohydrates I can get fat. If I ate too much fat, I can get fat. If I eat too much of anything, I can get fat. What does it boil down to? Calories.

    There are cultures that practice high carb diets, high fat diets and high protein diets, yet they still stay lean. There are associated health risks with each of these cultures. No matter what, there isn't a perfect diet. A well balanced diet is what I aim for and I wouldn't go to any extremes as to cutting out any of the major macro-nutrients.

    If I kept my diet as is, and cut out any particular macro-nutrient group, I would be in a huge caloric deficit which would force me to lose weight. But there are always trade offs when you cut out/add fat, carbohydrates, and protein.

    There will always be studies that say, you'll have "x associated risks" in either a high fat, high carb or high protein diet. Usually a vast number of these studies will become outdated, disproved, contradicting or irrelevant.
  8. dexternjack

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    I meant too much insulin in the blood causes the liver to produce tri's. It has been 20 years since my last physiology(Med School Physio) class and most was forgotten.

    I agree it is all in moderation and no diet is perfect for everyone. I do not like vegetables, never have and never will, and eat a lot of protein and carbs. I have gained maybe 5lbs over the last 20 years(now 43) and feel great and slim. My beef and pork are always trimmed of fat, so I eat the leanest of meats.

    It all depends on the individuals genetic make-up and certain foods will effect some more than others. Moderation is key mixed in with some exercise should work for most IMO.
  9. honyock

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    Well, if you talk about table sugar or high fructose corn syrup, they can and do get turned into fat. Table sugar and HFCS are roughly half fructose, and some of the fructose gets turned into fat (as triglycerides) in the liver. And apparently the liver converts fructose into fat much faster than any other type of sugar.
  10. honyock

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    It was a survey done in 1992 by Robbie Davis-Floyd, a University of Texas medical anthropolgist that put the number of women at American hospitals receiving Pitocin to either induce or augment labor. That was over 20 years ago so if he was anywhere near accurate, there doesn't seem to be more recent studies or surveys if its use is still in that range.
  11. Doc50

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    That was not an objective article at all, and not based on research; just a biased view of cases by an author looking to make a point.
    Her anthropological point of view is given without any direct knowledge of the medical complications of childbirth, nor with any sense of responsibility for outcomes. Her philosophical position that technology is bad and "natural' is good fails to acknowledge fetal and maternal morbidity and mortality in unattended births. She even adds episiotomy as an inappropriate, unnecessary, and unnatural procedure, solidifying her position against any intervention. Physicians don't perform episiotomies for fun or profit -- it is done to prevent damage from tearing of the perineum in cases where there is inadequate pliability. These injuries are much more difficult to repair, and likely have life-long consequences.

    I suggest that the author deliver 100 or more babies, including some that we see in the ED without any prenatal care and with high risk, then let her re-evaluate her position. Childbirth is often a beautiful and wonderful thing, but can also be traumatic and even tragic. Heck, I certainly could have delivered my own kids at home, but I would not take any unnecessary risks with something so important.
  12. Denim Chicken

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    Thanks, @honyock.

    A more recent survey, Listening to Mothers II (2006), found use of Pitocin to be at over 50%.

    During the 1980s, Dr. Roberto Caldreyo-Barcia, a former president of the International Federation of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and a renowned researcher into the effects of obstetrical interventions commented, "Pitocin is the most abused drug in the world today." He claimed its use was medically necessary in only about 3% of labors, yet estimates of its use range from 12% to 60%.
  13. Doc50

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    Yes, any excess calories are converted to fat, with all simple sugars and starches converted to glucose, then further converted to glycerol which binds with fatty acids to produce fats. One certainly can get fat without eating any fats.
  14. Doc50

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    Dr Caldreyo-Barcia helped establish several current procedures and practices regarding perinatal care in the '70s.
    His statement about the misuse of Pitocin referred to its worldwide use, not specifically the US.
    He lived and practiced in Uruguay.

    Again, much like antibiotics or any other medication, Pitocin should be used in specific cases where the benefits clearly outweigh any risks.
    Talk to your OB about this.
  15. Denim Chicken

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    Most recent study I could find, Pang study of home birth in Washington State, which used data from 1989–1996 and was published in 2002 showed a perinatal mortality rate 0.07 at home vs. 0.08 in the hospital, and the stated neonatal difference of 0.20 at home vs. 0.09 in the hospital.

    I will admit, I am of the same philosophical disposition to be predisposed toward the 'natural' vs 'technological' when it comes to physiological matters, though I do not discount the importance of emergency intervention in high-risk births or where complication are present.
  16. Denim Chicken

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    Thanks, Doc. You seem like a good dude.

    We're all set. Done a bunch of research and are delivering at one of the best birthing hospitals in our area.
  17. trickblue

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    Try the chili and Mexican food cleanse... works every time...
  18. Doc50

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    GREAT!
  19. Signals

    Signals Suspicious looking stranger

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    Do a coffee enema and you'll be "cleansed in about 30 minutes.
  20. CashMan

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    Eating 400 calories a day, can not be healthy. I agree, you can loose weight, if you calorie count, but it is misleading. IF you have the weight to lose, then it works.

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