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Anybody not think this is coaching?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by phildadon86, Oct 30, 2013.

  1. Picksix

    Picksix A Work in Progress

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    I see your point and agree to an extent, but I think having Sean Payton and an aggressive offense helps the defense. Spagnolu had great defenses in NYG, but was terrible last year in NO, without Payton. Why? Was spas overrated in NY? Was he put in a position to fail last year without Payton? Why was Rob so poor last year with the cowboys and so good this year with saints? I dont know.
  2. ConstantReboot

    ConstantReboot Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Rob did a bad job for the Cowboys. He did what he could with all of the injuries. Coaching can only bring you so far. Honestly, I think he was unfairly vilified for taking a bunch of street guys and turning them into football players. Its the same thing with Kiffin but only thing worst, since our best player Ware is out.

    Maybe Rob just fits NO. Maybe the NO defense is really talented but they didn't play up to their potential since Payton wasn't there as coach - so they slacked. Who knows. But you can't deny it. Rob is making play better than last years team. You have to give credit where its due.
  3. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    Wade Phillips took almost exactly the same personnel and won 2 division titles in 3 seasons, equaled the most wins in team history and took the team to the second round of the playoffs (which even Parcells was unable to do) while Garrett can't even break .500. 3 straight seasons of coaching a 3rd place team in NFCE. Last 2 seasons all he has to do is win last game and is in post season.
  4. NickZepp

    NickZepp Well-Known Member

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    Phillips didn't have the same personnel particularly on defense. Defenses were much more experienced and overall more talented and it's not even close. But they were better coached which is a credit to Wade Phillips. Lane Kiffin and that defensive staff look clueless against today';s NFL game. Our offense has been good enough. But the defense is giving up more than 30 almost every week.
  5. Ren

    Ren Well-Known Member

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    What team have you been watching, take away the Rams and Broncos games and our offense has looked terrible, we had something like 80 total yards going into the 4th QTR on Sunday and we couldn't take advantage of 4 turnovers, our offense has been pretty far from good enough
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  6. Ren

    Ren Well-Known Member

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    That's too easy, just look at our DL and safeties then theirs
  7. NickZepp

    NickZepp Well-Known Member

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    I think this might be true in retrospect. Didn't think so at the time. Rob Ryan unfairly got fired looking back. But it's not like the defense was that good in his entire tenure here.
  8. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Yes. It's called we are still paying the price for poor cap management/player retention since it was started, poor player acquisition remotely, more than our share of injuries primarily on defense presently and the Curse of the Root.
  9. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    There is a good deal of truth to this. When the organizational culture is mainly to remain relevant, it is going to seep down to the players eventually.

    Overall, there is not enough fear of failure because what is defined as successful is way off.
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  10. Reality

    Reality Administrator Staff Member

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    I agree with this completely. After 17 years of average to below average results, this team's definition of a successful season has dropped so low that it makes 8-8 seem like an "almost there milestone" every year. Let's face it, a 9-7 season would be treated as an "improvement" by Jerry Jones as well as a "something to build on" speech that would be regurgitated throughout the off-season in an effort to make 2014 "THE" year.

    /reality
  11. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    A 9-7 season and a playoff appearance would just provide him what he has been talking about for the last three years, which is to be like the Giants or Ravens be "in it until the end" and just make it and hope a switch goes on for a Super Bowl run.
  12. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    People (including the joneses) are just hoping and praying that somehow, someway, we catch lightning in a bottle so they can justify their failed process, can justify their 'faith'

    Watch jerry and many of these fans on this board come here after an 8-8 or 9-7 season where we make the playoffs in a putrid division and are 1 and done, pump their chest and talk about how the team is headed in the right direction, how we need to believe, how they never lost faith and always believed

    this year, next year, the year after that (yeah BTW i think jason is here for at least 2 more years), whenever that happens, they will be preening and cooing all over the place and congratulating themselves and their fandom

    of course, all the while ignoring the fact that the next year and the year after that, we will continue to be mediocre, under the watchful eyes of jerry, stephen, and jason
  13. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    I don't like where our offense is schematically. Although watching All-22, Romo was lousy against the Lions and was as big of a contributor to the loss as anybody.

    Defensively, we keep getting injuries. We have 4 D-Linemen out and we were using a UDFA to start at safety.

    I tend to believe our problems are mostly with the offense and the schematics. We throw the ball so much that we don't take much time off the clock. This leaves our defense on the field longer and historically, defensive players are more than twice as likely to get injured than offensive players. So by leaving them on the field longer, it's only going to create more likelihood of getting injured.

    Obviously, you have to pass the ball well in order to win in this league. But the running game has important attributes to it as well like setting up the passing game to make things easier, to make converting 3rd and short easier to keep the chains moving and to keep your own defense off the field while being able to score. And it really seems to hurt us when we play on the road. On the road the passing game is more difficult to execute between crowd noise, playing outdoors, playing on grass, etc.

    To me, if you have a good running game, a good pass receiving Tight End and a good pass defense; you're likely to go to the playoffs because it's something that can make even mediocre QB's look good. In fact, it's basically how Parcells tried to set up every team he coached (and that's why it worked). We have the TE. The pass defense is suspect and the running game is putrid.

    But as usual, I think it's a combination of things between poor coaching, poor schematics, and lack of talent in certain areas.




    YR
  14. BlueStar22

    BlueStar22 Well-Known Member

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    It seems Callahan is calling the plays no differently than what Garrett called them. Is Callahan really the playcaller? Doesn't look like it.
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  15. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    We should have easily gone 11-5 even with this DL.

    We should be no worse than a 2 loss team right now as well.

    Every single team is going to have a unit that struggles. The Saints DL is worse than ours and they could easily go 11-5. You know why? They play to win instead of not to lose.

    BTW, only the Cowboys would make Romo the 2nd highest paid QB in history and make him a game manager most weeks.
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  16. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    when the offense is crap, does it matter which play you call from it or who calls the play?
    it is still the "garrett offense"
  17. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    The offensive design is still Garrett.
  18. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    That is all we can do is hope to catch lightning in a bottle.


    If this was European football Garrett would've been fired a long time ago.

    There is not enough pressure here to win. Just be mediocre and not stink up the place too bad and it's considered a success.

    I hate our current standard and I can't believe it's allowed by ownership.
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  19. Seven

    Seven Messenger to the football Gods

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    It really is that simple.

    Add to it that this group still gets the penalties at the worst possible times, shoots itself in the foot AND continues to collapse at the end of games. I won't even spew the mediocre 8-8 seasons schpiel. Nothing has really changed..........in quite some time.

    Also......I'm begining to believe Garrett thinks he invented football.
  20. PA Cowboy Fan

    PA Cowboy Fan Well-Known Member

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    How much time should we give him? 5 or 10 years? I see teams that had worse talent then we did when Garrett took over and they're playoff teams now.

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