Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Vanilla2, Jan 26, 2014.
Defended the Cowboy's much of the time isn't as important as pointing out the exaggerated and sometimes absurd examples used by Cowboy fans. The regurgitated accusations and half truths that repeated so often some believe as the gospel in fact.
example of exaggerated half truths
Jerry is considered a buffoon I'm sure of that. People laugh at him.
The team I am not sure about. I don't think they are taken seriously at all. Most expect they'll falter & they don't disappoint.
everything is relative in this conventional universe
I've never thought of myself as an America's Team fan. Just a Dallas Cowboys' fan. Bitterness is too heavy a burden to carry on our journey.
Jones is an interesting case.
As a owner and one of the most powerful and influential figures in the NFL, I am sure he is respected.
But as a GM who is transparent about his plans, can routinely be panicked and taken advantage of via trades, I am sure there are a few snickers from his peers.
As for the team, I think they are viewed as has often been said, a lot of glitz and little core substance. They are certainly not feared as a team to be reckoned with and I have not heard any opponents since the Giants during the Parcells era state they admired their toughness.
To both of these. I would agree overall if it weren't for the fact that there is literally an entire generation who have never seen the Cowboys as a relevant team... including some of your own.
And the people that were in charge of that success and prestige are long gone. We're just a brand now, and an easy target to boot.
To some, we're an entirely different organization.
Just talk to other fans. Join an NFL community website where all opinions are voiced. You'll understand quickly what exactly the outlook on the Cowboys is.
But just for a quick recent example, Kaepernick through an interception to lose a NFCCG and people immediately bashed Romo.
When you talk about the year after year ineptitude of the Cowboys, .. you can't compare it to the Bengals or the Dolphin or Bills, etc. as a relative measure. They are not known as Champions, and never have been.
We were at one time.
I don't know if we are necessarily a 'laughing stock', but I would guess people chuckle at Jones because he is always saying, "we are THIS close, .. this is the year!"
He does this every year, every off-season.
And NFL people are laughing and saying, "no you're not Jerry, .. this is not the year and you are not even close!"
I think we get laughed at, but I don't really know that we are a laughing stock, ... but maybe we are.
There are many reasons why we are considered a laughingstock
a) our owner claims every off season that we are a SB caliber team and makes a bunch of outlandish statements despite the same product. When we end up 8-8, haters love it. JJ doesn't have a realistic bone in his body
b) Take (a) above and add 1 playoff win in 17 years. Add one of only 3 teams in the NFL that has 1 or less playoff victory in that span. Add that almost every NFC teams in that time period has made a SB and add that our overall record is pretty much .500.
c) I'm a Romo fan but the games he has failed in gives people something to fan the flames
d) Jerry Jones...again. Every radio interview he does makes people believe he is either lying and full of b.s. or he is a guy who actually believes the stuff he spews...which is even scarier. He also has taken America's Team and turned into a moniker known for how much money the team makes, not what it does on the field.
Overall, the amount of hype in proportion to winning is what people laugh at and the reality is they are right.
I know no one who respects Jerry.
The "Bobble" was a little snowball.
It has never stopped growing. It's the size of Texas by now.
We have been laughing stock since then.
I don't know if we are the laughing stock of the league, ... but I can confirm personally that steeler fans have been laughing at the Cowboys for quite a few years.
I can't speak to 2013, because not one steeler fan around me ever mentioned the NFL even once, not even once. LOL
But the few years prior to that I got teased a good bit.
They don't even hate us any longer, the way they used to adamantly, .. they just chuckle now. Maybe it started when they got #6.
There must be other teams fan bases that are laughing at the Cowboys recently.
You know what? I had a family member who was a Stealer fan stay in my house back in 1995, laughing at me *then* for being a Cowboy fan and being 100% certain they should be the favorites to win that Superbowl. They did not, and he could not reconcile it. He blamed the refs. It's been my experience that Stealer fans are, collectively, more like that guy, then not.
Point is, I wouldn't take anything they say seriously. They're as delusional as Sk**ns fans, only with more reason to be so.
As to the laughingstock thing, again, it's more unhappy Cowboys fans than anything else I see this junk coming from. And I live in the SF bay area, and am not shy about my allegiances.
Yes, you are right, .. 'schteelar' fans are the most obnoxious lot. Trust me, I don't concern myself with anything they say.
I liked it better when we had 5 trophies and they had 4, .. a lot better.
Then when it was 5 and 5, I could tolerate it, although I felt the refs gave that one to them.
But now that they have 6, .. it is unbearable for me, .. although I don't let them know.
Actually I do think that a lot of people in the NFL are laughing at Jerry Jones, which in turn is laughing at the Cowboys.
I don't think it is just unhappy Cowboy fans.
What half truths are you talking about?
I have nothing by sympathy for you on the Stealer fans front. They're completely annoying.
And I do agree that, on a meta-level, the organization gets painted a bit with Jerry's brush. In that sense, I can see the laughingstock part. The actual team on the field, though, as it's comprised under Garrett right now....I don't think this groups of players is considered an easy out or anything to laugh at. We're taken seriously. We just can't stop the big passing plays too often when we absolutely have to, but we're in every game, in every season, and, for the most part, we do play hard. Nothing embarrassing in any way there. The string of public heartbreaking losses is tough to take, though.
I think we're all pretty exhausted from what we've been through the last several years. I know I'm really disappointed.
People want to throw out the 17 year thing--and as fans they have a right to.
But in the the more modern era...let's say the "Romo era" since he became the starter in 2006...the team has been well above average record-wise.
In fact the record with him as a starter (63-45) is WAY above average and is actually one of the better records in the league during that span.
The three straight 8-8s have been brutal tough