Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by DEMARC0MURRAY29, Mar 24, 2013.
I am sure not defending the lack of leadership. Only stating that there is a problem.
I remember a player we had a few years ago from Georgia that smoked pot. I think he ended up going to the CFL after a few years.
What's interesting about Rambo is that a lot of people I think are overlooking his talent as well. With a guy like Jenkins, everyone knew he was a stud, but he dropped b/c of his off field issues. With Rambo, though, it seems like people forget how good of a player he is. The guy is a first round talent, and will probably go in the third.
I said earlier that I would reserve judgement to see what Grantham told our guys, but I really do hope that word comes back as positive
You can be the RKG on the field and not the RKG off the field when you start your NFL career. That's fine by me. You can learn the off-the-field stuff with the right structure and support around you, but the on-the-field stuff is innate. Dez is a great example of how some of these young guys just need a little guidance to mature and reach their full potential .
That is just ridiculous. Your blaming Jerry for poor leadership, when players who are millionaires, decide to get into trouble? Both Tank, and Pacman got into trouble from their previous teams, Chicago, and Tennesee as well, so I guess their owners showed "poor leadership" as well huh? If your an NFL owner, why would you take a chance, investing millions of dollars in a college player, that continually breaks the law, and gets into trouble, knowing that hes wasting a chance of a lifetime to play in the NFL? Blame the idiotic player, not the owner.
The Cowboys don't normally want to draft guys with drug problems. Marijuana or otherwise since they test for it. Now if Grantham tells them he's turned his life around then that could change their minds.
It is a simple cost/benefit analysis. If Rambo's talent outweighs any character/substance abuse issues (and any fallout he may create in the locker room, if any) then you draft him.
One must keep in mind that the farther he falls in the draft, the less the risk becomes.
Look, I know Tank and Pac Man didn't work out for us, but who is to say the Cowboys were wrong for taking a risk on them? Like I said before ...... it is a cost/benefit analysis. We took the risk and it didn't work out. But we took a risk with T.O. and it did work out for us, for at least a time. This isn't an exact science and teams aren't going to be right every time.
I agree somewhat, but jnday's suggestion that if you cannot handle troubled players you have poor management, is what I was responding too specifically.
I blame Jerry and the players. Take a look at the Ravens and Pats. Troubled players don't cause trouble with these teams. If they do, they are gone. Ratt shouldvhave been gone, but he is still here. The altercation with Jerry was enough to see him go. The team leaders of the Cowboys should share in the blame also. How many articles have you read about the country club in Dallas? No accountability is expected by the staff or the players.
his teammate Shawn Williams is pretty good too. Worth a look in 3rd/4th
I love Shawn Williams and I hope we manage to find a way to get him. Tough as nails and Dallas needs some of that on defense.
Williams actually called out his Georgia team mates for being too soft and not working hard enough in practice, lol.
4th round and I'd do a back-flip.
Agree with you there. I love Williams, and though it appears the team believes Church is the starting SS, I would still love some insurance. I like Williams alot.
Yeah, if we could draft him in the 4th round, I'd just let him fight it out with Church for the starting position... may the best man win. Loser is great depth at SS and is a beast on special teams.
Actually, the loser would probably play extensively in the nickle and dime packages. Take a LB out and put in Church/Williams.
It would be a good problem to have.
I remember something Jimmy Johnson said in his heyday in Dallas: He said (paraphrasing) that in the NFL, players were going to have 10 or so years of hard work and contact and that he only drafted players who liked the contact and physical nature of the sport.
He went on to mention a DT from NC State (if memory serves) who was highly ranked (first round prospect) and a terrific athlete for a DT. Jimmy didn't give a name but he said that when he talked to the guys college coaches they all talked about what a great athlete the player was and how fast he could run and how far he could jump. Then, he asked about the physical aspect of his game and he said all the answers were along the lines of "he's not the most physical DT we've had" or "he will hit you but tends to shy away from contact when he can" or "he doesn't love the physical side of the game".
Jimmy said at that point they took him off of their board and never considered him again. He said his favorite players were always guys that relished the contact and loved the physical nature of the game... and that is what he drafted. Physical guys. Not necessarily big, but loved to hit and be hit and to get down and dirty. He would draft smaller guys if they loved to hit and were physical. He said the guys who didn't love the contact would eventually look for a way around it or out of it, and that isn't what you want.
That has stuck with me since I heard it back in the early 90's and I would love for the team to consider that when they pick players.
Jimmy had a whole team of bullies. Tough guys who were talented. They intimidated the other teams eventually. Teams might have started out hanging with them... but by the 4th quarter the other teams were quitting and the Cowboys were just getting started.
We need some more tough, physical, hard working guys on the Dallas defense and Shawn Williams is a perfect example of one.
I hope they find a way to get him.
Williams is def a good leader on defense. They had jarvis, ogletree, john jenkins who are all likely first rnders, bacari rambo and washington who could go 2-3 rnd but williams was the unquestionable leader on the defense. Grantham loves him. They gave him an award for toughness and leadership
Exactly. And he didn't lead by rah-rah in your face necessarily... it was with his physical presence on the field, his toughness in practice and his hard work during the week.
That's why I seriously hope we manage to land the guy. I think we should target him and try to bring him in.
There have been numerous players and coaches that have said that Williams calling the defense out for being "soft" was the reason Georgia turned their season around. I would love a vocal leader like Williams on the Cowboys
I completely agree.
He is the kind of guy who his team mates will love and opponents will hate. He will make some WR's nervous.
Yeah, here is what NFL.com says about that award:
Cowboys will either draft Vaccaro in the 1st or some no name S in the later rounds. It's just not our style to get a good value S in the mid-rounds.