Barack Hussein Obama: US "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world"

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  1. sacase

    sacase Well-Known Member

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    It is important to note that "if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world".
    So says President Barack Obama. Or I should say: Barack Hussein Obama.

    That's right: Barack Hussein Obama. Say it proud. Say it out loud. The middle moniker that dared not speak its name during the election campaign is now front and centre of the US president's attempt to woo the Muslim world, the theme of his visits to Riyadh on Wednesday and Cairo on Thursday.

    Petrified of the potential political fallout of being branded a Muslim, Candidate Obama - a practicing Christian - never used the name "Hussein" and its use was frowned upon as a forbidden code for the nutty accusation that he was some kind of Islamic Manchurian candidate.
    No more. To say Barack Hussein Obama - BHO for short - now appears to be the height of political correctness.

    As I argue in this analysis for the Telegraph dead tree edition, Obama is seeking to return to a Middle East policy based on realism - buttressed by the bona fides of his own multi-cultural (including Muslim) background.

    In Strasbourg two months ago, the president tried out his full name. Days later in Ankara, he was introduced to the Turkish parliament by his full name.

    As ABC's Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller astutely outline here, the Obama administration is embracing the new president's inner Muslim, as it were, with deputy national security adviser that Obama had "experienced Islam on three continents...growing up in Indonesia, having a Muslim father -- obviously Muslim Americans [are] a key part of Illinois and Chicago".
    So that's once, twice, three times a Muslim?

    Just in case the Arab world hasn't yet got this message of inbuilt tolerance, Mr Obama himself has gone a step further. In an interview with France's Canal Plus released on Tuesday evening, he suggested that the United States might be a Muslim country.
    Obama said he wanted to "create a better dialogue so that the Muslim world understands more effectively how the United States but also how the West thinks about many of these difficult issues like terrorism, like democracy, to discuss the framework for what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and our outreach to Iran, and also how we view the prospects for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians".
    So far, so blah - President George W. Bush often expressed much the same sentiments.

    But then, as is his habit , Obama turned the concept around. "Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam.

    "And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there's got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples."
    Obama said in Turkey that Americans "do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation". John McCain was criticised in 2007 for saying the US was "a Christian nation", later amending this to "a Judeo-Christian valued nation".

    Of course, the concept of separation of church and state, which derived from the First Amendment to the Constitution, means that the US is not officially a Christian nation or a nation of any other particular religion. Which means, I suppose, that the US is as much a Muslim nation as a Christian one.

    It's a bold - some might say audacious - turnaround by the president.

    It's also a classically Obamaesque move.

    During the 2008 campaign, he skillfully made himself, through his life story, the personification of change.
    Now, implicitly contrasting himself with the born-again, evangelical Bush who pursued a pst-9/11 "crusade" against terrorism, Obama is presenting himself to the Islamic world as the personification of a new, tolerant - and, yes, partly Muslim - America.

    UPDATE: The excellent Don Surber crunches the numbers and points out that Obama's claim is highly dubious. According to Surber, the US has an estimated three to eight million Muslims, less than one per cent of the world's total and less than at least 23 other countries.
    The average claim for the US Muslim population is about six million. The precise figure is difficult to get because it's not included in US census data and many put the figure at much, much less.

    But even if we assume there are six million Muslims in the US, that makes it only the 34th biggest Muslim country in the world - behind Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, China, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Tanzania, Syria, Malaysia, Niger, Senegal, Ghana, Tunisia, Somalia, Guinea, Kenya, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Burkina Faso and Tajikistan.
  2. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    Is he a racist now because he uses his full name when meeting with world leaders? I was told I was racist when I referred to him by his name his muslim father, that kicked him to the curb, gave him.
  3. firehawk350

    firehawk350 Active Member

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    BHO needs to get his facts right.
  4. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    In many areas. That is something we can agree on.
  5. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Yes, with a smashing 0.6% demographic, he may be right... :rolleyes:

    He really needs to stop pandering to others and let them know we can have civil relationships, despite our differences.

    Unbelievable, what passes for intellect these days.
  6. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    It's one thing to take an entire sentence out of context. It's another to take a clause out of a sentence.
  7. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Maybe so...
    But in the context of his unnecessary pandering to archaic prejudices, it remains in the proper context of how out of his depth he most certainly is.
  8. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Oh, no. He's not using "with us or against us" language. He must hate America.

    This is just political hackery.
  9. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    As opposed to analytical hackery?
    Here in lies a perfect example of what resides at the root of all conflicts; thinking it's either one way or the other, without acknowledging that there do exist other options; then wholly assuming your counterpart imbibes in this same poor habit.

    Of course, this, despite what I'd written earlier about approaching the issue from a standpoint of civil discourse, regardless of our differences, instead of trying to appeal to prejudices, with offering limp similes that really don't exist.
  10. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Says the guy who claims that the president is "out of his depth."

    Methinks you're the one being the one taking the extremes here.

    Oh, and layoff all the damn commas.
  11. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    I can't imagine what about my response can interpreted as extreme. It was appropriate to the suggestion you yourself offered.
  12. MetalHead

    MetalHead Benched

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    Is Obama trying to tell us something?
    Something some of us have long suspected?
  13. lewpac

    lewpac Benched

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    That's not the point.

    The point is political convenience and two-faced political debauchery.

    It wasn't politically expedient during the campaign, and moreover IN THIS COUNTRY, to allow ANYONE to use his middle name. Because the Dali-Bama and his handlers knew that (here in a nation of majority Muslims;);)) any whisper of his name would hurt his chances of winning.

    Now, when he want to pony-up to and schmooze with middle-East women-mutilators, and show them that America is REALLY more like them then not, it's no only acceptable to wheel out the name, but a necessary tactic to prove to them that HE'S NOT GEORGE W. BUSH!

    Same with his dead-beat old man who split on the family. They did their best to lie and contort that his old man was a religious affiliation. When in truth, this guy who skipped out on his Anglo mother was indeed a faithful, practicing and dyed-in-the-wool Muslim. Why would he agree to such a thing during the campaign (in a nation that's majority Muslim;);))???

    Lastly (now follow me here), along these lines of "political expedience and convenience", this guy was born and raised by a white gal. HER PARENTS took over for whatever reason. Yet, the "Obama" movement was LARGELY about "first black" this, and "first black' that. It was interlaced and intertwined into every fabric of his candidacy. Yet, he's half Anglo. And one would assume that if the "other" half ran out on you, that you would at least TRY to identify with the parent and family that raised you, fed you, educated you, sheltered you, and gave you EVERYTHING in the world you needed to achieve!! If not, at least give them EQUAL time in your "compelling story"! Yeah, yeah, there was a blip or two about his grandma a time or two, but NOTHING approaching the "lineage" and background story we got shoved up our butts for two years.

    Why is that? Because it was politically expedient to play the card he did in liberal America. Black folks are of course going to vote for him, and white folks are going to vote for him out of "white liberal guilt" and, to be cool and chic and "with it" at the right parties with the "swells" and "in crowd".

    Very slick packaging.....................
  14. Jon88

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    This is just stupid...
  15. sbark

    sbark Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    .........Obama is now the defacto "leader of the muslim world"......

    Christopher Dickey, Newsweek-----, Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda, more and more are seen as has-beens in the Muslim world. (Thanks to GW Bush )

    there is only one new leader who has raised the hopes of Muslims all over the world, who now expect so much of one man.............

    .............wonder what they expect.......especially with Israel????????
  16. Jon88

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    Let's pander to the most violent religion in the world and make apologies. You stupid moron.
  17. Bob Sacamano

    Bob Sacamano Benched

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    it reminds me of Patton's speech to a group of old, English ladies that it was one day that the US and Britain would rule the world
  18. CanadianCowboysFan

    CanadianCowboysFan Lightning Rod

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    Christianity has probably killed more muslims and people than islam.
  19. lewpac

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    Wrong..........of course.

    Actually, atheism has killed more people, by the millions than any religion out there. Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc............agnostic/Marxist/socialist/Uber-Left/Labor/communist are accountable for probably a million times more murders combined than any religious prosecutions combined.

    Secondly, people are SUPPOSED to evolve. Christians HAVE evolved. You don't see Catholic Priests or the Baptist Church or the Lutheran Church or Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson calling for beheading's in the 20th or 21st century!! You don't see Christians running around with a AR50 assault rifles, two different shoes, unmatching uniforms, a diaper on their head, yelling "death to ..................whatever".

    Sorry, that lame attempt don't work anymore.

    You wanna' bring up the 1400's to get Muslims out of the soup for their crimes in the 21st century? Good Luck!! Have at it.
  20. CowboyDan

    CowboyDan Anger is a Gift

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    There are 195 countries in the world, we rank 34th in Muslim population. He's right. Deal.

    It's not pandering, it's putting things into context for the rest of the world and for ignorant people in this country.

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