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Barkley at #18?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by SWG9, Feb 28, 2013.

  1. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I used Sanchez as a most likely scenario for him. But maybe I'm wrong, but I always looked at Sanchez as more mobile.

    Maybe he ends up suprising us; I wouldn't count him out. I'm certainly not pulling against him.

    I only responded to this thread in the 1st place becasue the idea of Dallas taking him with our 1st pick this year seemed beyond outragous.
    I honestly think it would be debatebale to even take him at 47 given our needs and what type of players could be there.
  2. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    If Dallas is blowing it up and starting over they likely need a top 5 pick as the next QB.

    It makes no sense to go all in on a Brady Quinn type QB--- i.e. Barkley.

    Barkley could succeed in the right circumstances but you need the poise and raw talent of an RG3 to succeed in Dallas. Barkley would be eaten alive.
  3. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    In all honesty, I don't think we need to be looking at QB at 18. I am not at all certain that there is a QB in this draft that is worthy of 18, much less 1. This is not to say that there is not talent in this draft at the position, I just think that the talent that is there needs to be developed and is not worthy of the pick. If we take a QB, I would rather it be somebody later in the draft.

    Next year is a much better year for QB IMO.
  4. Dash28

    Dash28 Felis silvestris catus

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    No thanks.
  5. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    He did not come in at 6'3" btw. I just had so many other things to pick at as far as Dallas taking him 1st, that I let him have a pass on that one.

    His is 6' 2"- 6' 2 1/2 in shoes.

    I hear Arizona likes him.
  6. IAmLegend

    IAmLegend Well-Known Member

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    Tyler Bray > Barkley
  7. alohawg

    alohawg Active Member

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    Ryan Mallett- 2 years learning behind Belicheck and Brady under his belt, has kept his nose clean, is far and away more talented than any in this qb class and could be had for a 2nd rd. pick.....just solidify the o-line, he's about as mobile as Manning, Peyton that is.
  8. SWG9

    SWG9 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the polite (for the most part) replies.

    To elaborate a little further: by no means am I saying that the Cowboys absolutely have to draft Barkley. If they have the two OG's rated as higher prospects and one of them is available at #18, by all means, draft one of the OG's and re up with Romo.

    But if both guys are gone (a definite possibility), and there's no other real difference makers at #18 (a probability, based on what I'm reading), doesn't it make sense to swing for the fences with Barkley if he's there?

    For once we have some leverage with a player (Romo), I'd like to actually use it instead of automatically resigning him before the draft and locking us into looking elsewhere at #18.
  9. SWG9

    SWG9 Well-Known Member

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    Ah, so you believe a team should draft for need? Say no more. Thanks for the response.
  10. SWG9

    SWG9 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the USC thing gives me pause as well.
  11. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Not at all.
    But all else equal...and btw, I don't remotely think all "else would equal" wouldn't even need to be considered if taking Barkely at 18--then you do take what you need, of course.

    My argument against Barkley hinges even more on BPA than it does on need, in other words. He may turn out to be great. But there is no scenario where he would be BPA, imo, at 18. I said maybe not even pick 47 for that reason. There may be a better player available even at 47. That's extreme, but possible.

    I just looked at 12 mocks on Monday and 4 had him in the first round....1 had him 55th overall.
    I don't go by those things too much, but just saying that many don't see him even in the 1st round, let alone 18.
    Becasue of the postion he plays though, he could get picked ina non-BPA manner. That is not uncommon for reaches on QBs.
  12. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    You are the one who keeps bringing up arm strength as a negative in this thread. His arm is not strong, but that is hardly his problem.

    I disagree greatly from that scouting report.
    I don't think he has good anticipation.
    He doesn't have good footwork when he has to slide around in the pocket.
    I don't find him to be cool or calm or have good pocket presence.

    I find the comparisons to other USC QBs to be quite accurate. Those guys have not prospered in the NFL due to some very similar faults. That happens when you are trained under the same basic conditions.
  13. Rack Bauer

    Rack Bauer Federal Agent

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    :facepalm:
  14. SWG9

    SWG9 Well-Known Member

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    Clever analysis.
  15. SWG9

    SWG9 Well-Known Member

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    The simple fact of the matter is that no one knows for a fact whether or not Barkley is going to be good or not. I happen to think he will be, others don't. Fine.

    What I'm saying is this: The Cowboys have to kick the tires and do a full work up of Barkley. If they don't have a first round grade on him, fine, pass.

    But if they do have a top 10 grade on him and he falls to #18, IMO, you have pull the trigger. It's a lot harder to do that if you've just locked Romo up to a long term extension.

    There's no reason at all to rush into an extension before the draft.

    BPA means BPA, no matter what the position.
  16. koolaid

    koolaid Drink Me

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    No thanks on Barkley. He wasn't very impressive last year even though he had two studs at WR. Also i'm not big on players from USC, especially qbs.
  17. MartinRamone

    MartinRamone Well-Known Member

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    No way, pass.
  18. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    I am sure they are doing full work ups on Barkley and several other QBs. I doubt any of them have top 10 grades. And if he is available at 18, that doesn't mean he would be the BPA at that time. There could still be players at other positions or even another QB that is the BPA option over Barkley.
  19. Rack Bauer

    Rack Bauer Federal Agent

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    It was the perfect response to the thread title.
  20. tantrix1969

    tantrix1969 Well-Known Member

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    ok but going by
    whether we give Romo an extension or not should have nothing to do with it, that being said imo there are more than 18 in front of him going by bpa

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