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Bear's Annual Look at the Draft, v. 2006-- Second Day

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by silverbear, Apr 9, 2006.

  1. silverbear

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    When we concluded part one of this analysis, it was at the end of the first day of the proceedings, which is to say the end of the third round. This time, we'll take a look at what the Cowboys might do on Sunday, rounds four through seven.

    As things stand right now, the Boys don't have a fourth round pick, but of course trades could change all of that. However, I won't hazard a guess as to whether they'll trade to get a 4th rounder, and if they did, what they'd have to give up for it, so I won't project any trades here. I'll just work with the picks they currently have. But it is possible that the first couple-three players I mention for 5th round consideration could fall in that 4th round range, so they'd be viable candidates for that round if the Boys do secure a pick in that range.

    One thing I am going to do is offer two distinct scenarios for the 5th round pick-- one that assumes the Cowboys did not pick up a wideout on the first day (either because they didn't trade down the way I projected, or because they went elsewhere with the extra pick acquired), and one that assumes they have already drafted a receiver. Other than that, I'll be going strictly BPA available, with one minor exception; I do think the Boys need to pick up a massive, run-stuffing NT to back up Jason Ferguson at some point on the second day.

    Again, if an asterisk appears after a player's name, that means the Cowboys have shown some particular interest in the player in question.


    FIFTH ROUND (if no WR is drafted on the first day)

    Marques Colston* 6-4 230 WR Hofstra 4.55 sec. 40
    Miles Austin 6-3 216 WR Monmouth 4.55 sec. 40
    Jeff Webb 6-2 210 WR San Diego State 4.4 sec. 40
    Reggie McNeal* 6-2 210 WR/KR (QB) Texas A&M 4.4 sec. 40
    Cory Rodgers* 6-1 186* WR/KR TCU 4.6 sec. 40
    Brandon Marshall 6-4 225 WR Central Florida 4.55 sec. 40

    COMMENTS-- If the Cowboys wish to add some new blood to the mix at WR, and they haven't done so on the first day, it's pretty much imperative that they do so in the 5th round, because by the time that round's over, there won't be much left worth having. I firmly believe that even with the acquisition of Terrell Owens, the Boys need to add some new blood at this position. As things currently stand, they have Owens, Terry Glenn, Patrick Crayton and not much else. They would be in some serious trouble if one of those three went down for any extended period of time.

    Colston, Austin and Marshall are large wideouts, possession types with mediocre speed. Colston seems to be drawing a lot of attention these days, it may well work out that he'll be off the board by the time the Boys pick in this round. Austin and Marshall would be a bit more likely to still be on the board here. Webb has good size too, just not quite the same size as the others already mentioned, but he is significantly faster than any of them. McNeal would be an intriguing conversion project from quarterback, I think, and should offer a team nice potential as a kick returner while he gets his receiving game up to NFL speed. Rodgers' worth is mostly as a punt returner, he's quite good in that area.

    PERSONAL PREFERENCE-- The guy who really intrigues me here is Webb, his combination of size and speed are impressive, and as I noted in my first day analysis, the Boys are on record as wanting to add some more deep speed to their receiver corps. When I read the assorted scouting reports on him available on the web, I find myself wondering why he isn't rated higher on most draft boards.


    FIFTH ROUND (if a WR is drafted on the first day)

    Brandon Guillory 6-4 255 DE/OLB Louisiana-Monroe 4.55 sec. 40
    Jason Hatcher 6-6 286 DE Grambling State 4.7 sec. 40
    Marvin Phillip 6-1 306 C/OT Cal 5.25 sec. 40
    Joe Toledo* 6-5 340 OT Washington 5.1 sec. 40
    Isaac Sowells* 6-3 340 OG/OT 6-3 340 5.3 sec. 40
    Will Allen 6-5 306 OG/C Texas 5.35 sec. 40
    Matt Bernstein* 6-1 260 FB Wisconsin 4.9 sec. 40
    Will Montgomery 6-3 310 C Virginia Tech 5.0 sec. 40
    Kevin Boothe* 6-5 316 OG/OT Cornell 5.35 sec. 40

    COMMENTS-- AT the top of the list above you'll find a hybrid DE/OLB type (Guillory) with good speed for the position, and a pure DE with some size (Hatcher) that I think would make a good DE in the 3-4 scheme. Both have been productive rushing the passer in college, both would be solid additions in this stage. A little further down the list is Bernstein, perhaps the best pure blocking fullback in this draft. I'd personally like to see the next Moose Johnston brought in, but Parcells doesn't seem to share my affinity for that kind of player, he seems to prefer a Richie Anderson type receiving fullback. At the same time, the Boys have worked Bernstein out, so maybe the ol' coach is developing a new set of criteria for what he's looking for in a fullback.

    The rest of the players mentioned above are offensive linemen. Even though I think the Boys are highly likely to draft a blocker on the first day, I think the need on the offensive line is sufficiently great that they could justify drafting another here (or even later in the draft). There is quality depth on the offensive line to be found even in the 7th round, so it's not like they'd be reaching if they went offensive line here. The key would be to draft a different kind of lineman from what they added the first day-- if they drafted a tackle, then they should look at an interior linemen, a center-guard type. The candidates in that case would be Phillip, Montgomery or Allen. Some scouts think that Phillip can play OT in the pros, and some scouts think that Allen can play guard or center. Montgomery is a pure center.

    On the other hand, if the Cowboys drafted a center/guard type on day one, they should look for a tackle here. That would be Toledo or Boothe, both players they've demonstrated an interest in.

    PERSONAL PREFERENCE-- I think that Hatcher would fit in nicely in the Cowboys' 3-4 scheme.


    SIXTH ROUND

    Steve Fifita 5-11 325 DT Utah 5.05 sec. 40
    John Chick 6-3 265 DE/OLB Utah State 4.65 sec. 40
    Dennis Roland 6-9 325 OT Georgia 5.3 sec. 40
    Bobby Iwuchukwu* 6-1 245 OLB Purdue 4.6 sec. 40
    Jason Hunter 6-4 235 OLB Appalachian State 4.55 sec. 40
    Jeromy Clary 6-6 306 OT Kansas State 4.9 sec. 40

    COMMENTS-- At this point, Fifita would fill a rather glaring team need (backup NT) quite nicely. Basically, he's a stubby wide load with a very low center of gravity, who should be hard to blast out of the middle. He has some fair agility too. Chick, Iwuchukwu and Hunter are all OLB prospects (though Chick will be making a switch from DE) with pass-rush potential and fair speed for the position. The Boys have brought in Iwuchukwu for a workout, or are about to do so.

    Roland is the offensive equivalent of Too Tall Jones, some sources list him at 6-10, some at 6-9... he has a massive wingspan, which is always helpful for a tackle. Clary is another of those converted tight ends that Parcells always seems to find, and his 40 time is very, very impressive. I have a hunch that he's on the Cowboys' radar screen.

    PERSONAL PREFERENCE-- Fifita would be a nice fit in the Cowboys' 3-4 scheme.


    SEVENTH ROUND

    Josh Huston* 6-1 195 K Ohio State No 40 time
    Chris Kuper* 6-4 306 OG North Dakota 5.1 sec. 40
    Shawn Willis* 6-1 260 FB Oklahoma State 4.85 sec. 40
    Jeff Littlejohn 6-2 316 DT Middle Tennessee State 5.1 sec. 40
    TJ Rushing* 5-9 186 CB/KR Stanford 4.3 sec. 40
    Trevis Coley 6-1 225 FS Southern Mississippi 4.45 sec. 40
    Reed Doughty 6-1 210 FS Northern Colorado 4.6 sec. 40
    Rodney Thompson 6-2 325 DT North Dakota State 5.05 sec. 40

    COMMENTS-- This late in the draft, I'm offering you a mix of some late round types the Cowboys seem to have some interest in, and some of my own Super Sleeper Specials. Throughout this exercise, I've tried to give some priority to players the Cowboys have looked at, but like anybody else, I've got some guys I really like, but haven't heard the Cowboys feel the same way. This seems like a good time to mention a few of them.

    The Boys have looked at more kickers than just Huston (Stephen Gostkowski from Memphis is apparently high on their list, Connor Hughes from Virginia and Jon Scifres from Missouri State as well), but I picked Huston for one simple reason-- he's the best kickoff guy of the bunch. All of the kickers except Hughes are good kickoff men, but I don't think anybody in the NCAA was better last year at kicking off than Huston. I read that of his 77 kickoffs in the course of his career, 54 went for touchbacks, right at 70 per cent. With Mike Vanderjagt signed, the need is for a kickoff specialist, and Huston would be my pick.

    Of the players that the Cowboys have worked out or interviewed, Kuper is an intriguing guard who moves pretty well, and seems to have the potential to add another 15-20 pounds in the NFL. Willis is another good blocking fullback, not quite as good as Bernstein, but no slouch his own self. Rushing is a BLAZING fast cornerback/kick returner, who reportedly has clocked a number of 4.25 second 40s in practice.

    And then there's my Super Sleeper Specials. First up, we have Jeff Littlejohn and Rodney Thompson, either one of whom might be solid backups for Jason Ferguson at NT. They have the size for the position.

    Last but not least, there are a pair of free safeties that intrigue me greatly, one of whom I know a good deal about, the other doesn't have the same kind of info out there, at least that I could find. I could go on and on about Doughty, I learned about him early on this past season and have been following him closely. His 40 times aren't the greatest, but he averaged 14.5 tackles a game his senior year (over 10 tackles a game for his career), so his instincts are apparently about 4.4 fast. He also has fair range in coverage, racking up 14 career interceptions and 32 passes defensed in the course of his college career. In addition, he's an academic All-American, so he's highly intelligent. I could see him some day being the quarterback of the secondary for some NFL team, the guy who calls the defensive signals.

    Then there's Coley, who makes my list strictly on the strength of his impressive size-speed ratio. There's just not many 225 pounders out there running 4.45 second 40s. Even if the Boys draft a free safety on day one, as I expect they will, I could certainly justify adding either of these two in the last round. And if either or both manage to go undrafted (a fair possibility), I'd want the Boys to try to get their names on a contract right after the draft ends.

    PERSONAL PREFERENCE-- Huston's kickoffs would help Parcells with his field position game.


    BEAR'S SECOND DAY MOCK:

    5) Jason Hatcher 6-6 286 DE Grambling State 4.7 sec. 40
    6) Steve Fifita 5-11 325 DT Utah 5.05 sec. 40
    7) Josh Huston 6-1 195 K Ohio State No 40 time

    This second day addresses the need for a backup NT for Jason Ferguson, a kickoff specialist for Mike Vanderjagt (who might develop into a quality field goal kicker down the line, when Mike V is ready to call it a career), and adds some quality depth at DE in the 3-4.

    Well, gang, that's all I've got for now. Somewhere over the next week or so, I'm thinking I'll do a briefer piece about my sleepers out there, talk about some guys the Cowboys might want to look at signing as priority undrafted rookie free agents.

    Time now for your thoughts on what I've just written. Be gentle...
  2. Rack Bauer

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    Good stuff, SB.
  3. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Loved it, one thing I wonder about though.

    Even though we have Witten, just signed Seattles TE and still have Ryan?

    I am surprised you did not list a TE in the second day.

    We all know how bill loves drafting TEs.
  4. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Couldn't find a second day TE who even vaguely interested me... don't really think there's a need there anyway, the Boys probably ought to figure out if they have anything in Sean Ryan, Brett Pierce or Anthony Curtis first... that makes five TEs to take into camp, I'd think that would be sufficient...

    But you might note that I DID give a nod to the Tuna's penchant for acquiring TEs in a couple-three offensive linemen who were once TEs... :rolleyes:
  5. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I just remember Bill saying something to someone, I think last year or the year before, that he will probably always draft a TE.

    No big deal on my part to be honest but figured it was noteworthy when talking draft with bill.
  6. Reigle9

    Reigle9 New Member

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    Bear, I put together something similar to what you posted for myself to use during the draft. I also had Steve Fifita and Jeromy Clary as possible late round selections.

    I also have OLB Brandon Johnson as a possible late rounder. Have you given him any looks?

    I noticed you have a kicker in the seventh. I'm sure your aware that Connor Hughs has had workouts, do you think there's any way BP and JJ use a fifth rounder on him if he's still there?
  7. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    I guess my only comment is that I see Kuper actually going a couple of rounds higher than 7. He is rising.

    I like his attitude too.

  8. Clove

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    I like Fifta, but I would like to have seen maybe Guillory picked in the fifth. But if we were to get Fifta, I would roll around in hay. And:lmao2: @ Racks animation.
  9. silverbear

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    Yeah, there's a lot to like about him-- he's tall, and he's fast... but he's awfully slight of build, and I just don't know if he can bulk up sufficiently to play LB in the NFL... but if his 40 times are accurate, perhaps he could make a conversion project to SS?? I know the Boys are looking at Jon Alston and Brian Iwuh, presumably with such a position switch in mind...

    Though they worked him out, I rather doubt he'll be on their radar screens... of the kickers I considered, he has the weakest leg for kickoffs... the Boys are gonna want a guy whose strong suit is kicking off, to take that chore off of Mike Vanderjagt... mind you, this is a Cavs fan talking here, I generally look for reasons to include their draft-eligible players in my consideration... for example, Marques Hagans makes my late-round list, aw would Wali Lundy (who could help the team in the kick return department)... Brad Butler is in the 3rd or 4th round equation... but after seeing the 40 times that Kai Parham ran (4.9 seconds, for an ILB??), he's not on my list, and the only way I could see the Boys drafting Kwakou Robinson is if they planned on trying him on the offensive line...
  10. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Guillory really intrigues me too, but if the Boys draft a linebacker early on, particularly a tweener type linebacker, then I question whether they'd look at that position again later in the draft...
  11. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    I like Kuper too, and more important, the Boys seem to like him... but I hadn't heard that he was really rising the charts, most sources I saw seemed to have him in the 6th or 7th round, or even an undrafted rookie free agent...
  12. silverbear

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    Yeah, Parcells did indeed say that... I just think he has a rather large number of them to sort through this year, that he needs to evaluate before he goes adding more... the Boys gave Tony Curtis the largest signing bonus they ever gave an undrafted rookie free agent, and of course Sean Ryan got hurt in training camp last year...

    This is why I think he'll probably pass on a TE this year...

    And of course, we all know I'm NEVER wrong, don't we?? :confused:
  13. Reigle9

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    Bear, I wasn't aware that Hughes had a weak leg. Thanks, I'll take him off my board. I know this isn't a big year for kickers so how likely is it that Huston will still be there in the seventh? I assume he has a big leg then?

    Haha, I understand. I was doing the same thing, us not having a fourth this year is really cramping my style for trying to squeeze some PSU players in. Say Micheal Robinson drops to the fifth, you take him? He is not a QB, trust me. He is one of the toughest football players I've ever seen. He's going to play in the NFL somewhere. If we could get a 4th rounder from trading back somewhere, I think Calvin Lowry would be a good pick if we didn't use a top pick on a safety.
  14. cboyd

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    FB Shawn Willis is one hell of a Blocking FB. I wouldnt be suprised if he wasnt the best blocking one. The reason why he is not mention much as a FB is because he is not versitle but I tell you I have watched his games every Saturday and he is one hell of a Blocking FB. The Guy Bench Presses over 500+ punds wighing 260 plus that is really good. He would definatly be our goal line FB
  15. Bizwah

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    Webb, the WR from SDSU, has character issues. That would be the reason why he's not rated any higher.

    I'm not sure BP will be crazy about Fifita.....or however you spell it.....He talks about size an awful lot. Usually, you want some height from your DT. The man in the middle should have a lot of opportunities to bat down passes.

    Anyway, solid effort.

    I'm a Brandon Marshall fan.....I think any WR prospect we draft will have to play STs in some fashion. Marshall has enormous potential as a WR, and can fill in on the coverage units on STs (remember, he was a Safety last year for CF).
  16. dwmyers

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    Okay, Bear, as usual a great job, but no way in hell Reggie McNeill lasts to the fifth round, not when people are comparing him _as a passer_ to a young Warren Moon.

    David.
  17. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Right.

    And Warren Moon went undrafted and had to play in Canada.
  18. dwmyers

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    ..in the days when "people of color" were regarded as not fit to be quarterbacks. I think we're past that now..
  19. silverbear

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    The Cavs had another kicker, can't think of his name right now, handling all the kickoff chores...

    Huston might not be drafted at all, or he might slip into that late rounds... and yes, he has a VERY big leg for kickoffs, over 70 per cent of his kickoffs went for touchbacks (54 of 77)...
  20. silverbear

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    I don't think there's a single NFL team out there that's looking at him as a quarterback, Dave, they're all looking at him as a conversion project to WR...

    As for the comparisons to Warren Moon, consider this list of negatives for him from the NFL Draft Countdown website:

    Yes, there were positives too, I'm not trying to trash the guy, I'm just saying that I personally don't see the comparisons to Moon...

    Now, he might wind up going higher than I've projected here, but it will be because of his speed, and how that translates into potential at WR... and right now, he's not even the highest-rated conversion project from QB to WR in the draft, that would be Brad Smith of Missoui...

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