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Beck: Barack Obama's Civilian Army

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  1. Angus

    Angus Active Member

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    Barack Obama's Civilian Army

    Thursday, August 27, 2009
    By Glenn Beck

    Thursday's show, I believe, it's the most controversial of all the shows this week — and maybe ever.

    I will give you some facts, some history but also some of the future.

    The reason Thursday's show is the last before Friday's solution, I wanted you to see who was advising the president and what they are doing, before I could ask you to look at this phrase from Barack Obama and think he meant it literally:

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    THEN-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA: We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    I don't know how anyone will respond to the facts I am going to present, because they really haven't responded to any of our questions or challenged any of the facts in our last few shows other than "Hey, don't call him a 'czar!'"

    But I can't make this piece of the puzzle fit, unless this piece is about building some kind of thug-ocracy.

    All week we've been asking tough questions — here's one more, Mr. President: Why do we need a civilian national security force that is "just as strong, just as powerful" as the military?

    Here's why I ask this question: Who are we fighting? Who internally is threatening our security?

    It's clearly not because we feel there is a threat from illegal aliens crossing the border, because anyone who would say that has been deemed a racist. A civilian national security force on the border is called The Minuteman and the attitude from this administration — as well as the Bush administration — is that they were "vigilantes." So it's not for the border.

    It can't be a civilian national security force against Islamic extremists, because according to this administration we aren't even at war against Islamic extremists anymore. Is this administration really going to ask the American people to profile and call-in tips on Muslim Americans who act suspiciously?

    So, who's left? Is it possible we are seeing the beginnings of another enemy?

    Mr. President, is your civilian national security force to protect us from things the Missouri State Police, your own Homeland Security and the liberal Southern Law Poverty Center have come out and said were a threat: militia groups; tea party goers; folks with "Don't Tread on Me" flags; me; Sarah Palin?

    Think about this: Is it unreasonable to think this government would ask you to spy on your neighbors, in light of these recent stories:

    — Flag.gov e-mail asking for tips on "fishy" behavior

    — Cookies on your computer that track whenever you've been on a government Web site — this used to be illegal but that was changed

    — The government is using outside companies to track and contact you. Are they gathering information on you? I know that on "cash for clunkers" they didn't trust the dealers.

    • Is Beck right? Click here to sound off (Ed.: go to the link below)

    To me, all of this sounds like a sci-fi movie, but again I have to ask the reasonable question, in these unreasonable times: Who will the civilian national security force protect us from?

    Maybe a better question to ask is, Mr. President: Do you know of a coming event?

    Or maybe we should ask Joe Biden, who said:

    (BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

    THEN-VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JOE BIDEN: Mark my words, it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America.... Remember I said it standing here, if you don't remember anything else I said: Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.

    (END AUDIO CLIP)

    Is this civilian national security force just preparing for what Joe Biden predicted?

    Who builds an army against an unidentified, unrecognized threat? Because we can't answer that question — or any of the others just proposed — then it's up to us to look for clues.

    Maybe we have to start with the company whose CEO is a close financial adviser to the president of the United States, who helped write the health care bill and cap-and-trade bill and who has billions of dollars at stake: Jeffrey Immelt.

    Immelt has been appointed by president to the board of directors to the New York Federal Reserve. Does he have any information? Let's look for what they may be saying the threat will be that we will need a civilian national security force against.

    It would seem to me the network that sells "Yes We Did" dolls, mugs and t-shirts and is obviously extraordinarily close to the president in seven different ways — is it possible to watch their network and their news, to see if they have any inside information as to what this threat may be? Immelt's network seems to be the leading network in predicting a lot of trouble, but they're not alone:

    (BEGIN VIDEO MONTAGE)

    ED SCHULTZ RADIO SHOW: Folks, these people are psycho. That's what they are. Sometimes I think they want Obama to get shot. I do. I really think that there are conservative broadcasters in this country who would love to see Obama taken out.

    FRANK RICH, NEW YORK TIMES COLUMNIST: I'm just old enough, I was a kid, I remember I woke up in 1963 to the horrible events in Dallas. Even as a kid, I happened to be growing up in Washington, D.C., it was palatable to me all this hate talk about Kennedy and this sort of crazy fear.... But there were a lot of threats. There was a lot of stuff going on that in tone resembles this.

    SEN. BARBARA BOXER, D-CALIF.: All of this is a diversion by the people who want to, frankly, hurt President Obama. And by the way I saw some of the clips of people storming these townhall meetings. The last time I saw well-dressed people doing this, was when Al Gore asked me to go down to Florida when they were recounting the ballots, and I was confronted with the same type of people. They were there screaming and yelling, "Go back to California! Get out of here!" and all the rest of it.

    CONTESSA BREWER, MSNBC: "A man at a pro-health care reform rally just outside, wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip.... The Associated Press reports about a dozen people in all at that event were visible carrying firearms.... There are questions about whether this has racial overtones. I mean, here you have a man of color in the presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waists.

    (END VIDEO MONTAGE)

    Is it reasonable to ask the question — based on these clips — do they think that a good portion of the American people are the enemy? They are such a danger we need a civilian national security force as well-funded and well-trained as the military?

    That's who they think the enemy is and, once again, the media has it completely wrong.

    So who is the real enemy?

    "Common Sense" has been No. 1 for the last 10 weeks. One of the last chapters is "The Enemy Within" — I wrote it months ago. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out — let me give you this quote:

    "It's not just the political class who has mastered the art of deception. There are other potentially deadly masters who will seek to exploit your frustration and sense of desperation. Many will warn you of government tyranny; they'll talk of secret societies, vast conspiracies, shadow governments, and the need for violent action. I urge you to stay away from these individuals and those ideas."

    We've showed you the radicals in this administration. Now I'll show you the radicals outside the administration who are being used and will be used by the media and by this administration:

    There was the Obama Joker poster creator; the right tried to take advantage of this and added the word "socialist" under it. But the creator of the poster is a Kucinich supporter who doesn't like Obama because he's not left enough.

    Then there was that clip on MSNBC: The racist white person (according to MSNBC) who brought a rifle to the Obama town hall — wasn't even white! He was black.

    In Denver, Maurice Joseph Schwenkler and an at-large accomplish smashed in windows at the Democratic Party HQ in Denver. Both parties accused Schwenkler of supporting the other, but he's a "trans-gendered anarchist" who belongs to the radical anarchist protest group Denver Bash Back.

    While the radicals in the White House may not be connected to the radicals just mentioned, they are connected by the fact that they are radicals.

    Remember, Obama adviser "czar" Jones created STORM who believes: "Revolutionaries need to be militant in street actions. As leaders in the fight for liberation, we should be role models of fearlessness before the state and the oppressor."

    These are the sort of tactics some of Obama's "czars" know best.

    So when we've got a president creating a "civilian force" as strong as the military and an admitted far-left radical in the White House doing this:

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    VAN JONES, GREEN JOBS 'CZAR': Actually, my job is not so dissimilar than my job was before.... What I do, can I make it simple, I'm basically a community organizer with the federal family.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    How else am I supposed to read this? I'm happy to hear any other explanation than "don't call him a czar."

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543822,00.html
  2. Rackat

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    I would like for those that lean left, or that are Democrats, to answer these questions. Forget that they come from someone who I readily admit is "out there", I just want to know how you would anwser.

  3. JBond

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    The first one is especially interesting to me. Why do we need a another force as well funded and trained as our current military? What does Barry plan on using them for and where is the money going to come from? Will he double our national defense spending our will he gut military spending for his own "new" army, in the same way he has promised to steal from medicare to pay for Obama care?
  4. Yeagermeister

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    Probably do what every Dem does gut the military
  5. DIAF

    DIAF DivaLover159

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    I'm pretty sure he's talking about security agencies collectively..the FBI, NSA, etc. Expanding their power and pumping in more funding. Pretty sure he's not talking about creating another "army". Think about how expensive and impractical that would be.
  6. JBond

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    Then why did he say it? You seem to make a lot of excuses for him. He did not say other or existing security agencies or anything of the sort. In fact he is neutering those agencies and on the hunt to bring down those that have kept us safe. The exact opposite of what you claim.
  7. Rackat

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    You answered not one single question. You gave your opinion on your interpretation of what you thought he said. When in fact what you responded is not what he has openly stated. If you cannot answer the question why respond?
  8. DIAF

    DIAF DivaLover159

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    I seem to make a lot of excuses for him because, quite frankly, the level of ridiculous paranoia on this board is quite high. You've all turned him into a comic book villian. Honestly, if you were to remove the word "Obama" from most of the rants here you'd have no idea if you were talking about the US Government or COBRA.

    He's calling for an expansion of security agencies so we aren't using our military abroad to hammer terrorists.

    He also did not say " a new National Security Force", or otherwise indicate this is a new force, or is something he wishes to create. The reasonable assumption here is that he's talking about our civilian agencies that are tasked with national security. Protecting America that way, instead of running all over foreign soil with our military, an approach that democrats think don't exactly do us any favors in the eyes of the world.
  9. Bob Sacamano

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    Adolph Hitler wanted a civilian army too, just as powerful as the regular army

    just sayin'...
  10. DIAF

    DIAF DivaLover159

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    I did answer the question.

    I can ask the same of you. You have taken that one sentence, and decided that Obama is creating a police force to beat down conservatives. You've got zero but your opinion. I merely applied a little bit of common sense to mine.
  11. vta

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    Well if these are truly his words "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.", then he can be talking of nothing other than creating another army.

    Homeland security was intended as a blanket organization including the FBI, NSA, etc, this something entirely different.

    Having two forces is not only impractical, but also counter to the purpose of our homeland agencies. We're not the congo. We don't need militants equal in power to that of our already standing military operating on our soil. The very purpose of our entire military strategy is to avoid such things on our soil. Combat and physical force. For anyone to even entertain this idea is ludicrous.
  12. Bob Sacamano

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    :hammer:

    a civilian army would be akin to an army of occupation

    by our own people

    it's ridiculous
  13. Rackat

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    The problem with your response is that what you are saying is not at all what he said. If indeed it were as you stated, then why choose his words so poorly to convey his intent. If indeed that was his intent. From his original speeches and discussions on the matter, he wants a civilian force. We already have civilian forces, but not in the context he delivered the proposal for this civilian force equal to and as well equipped as the military.

    Why would he need such a force?
    Would this force be in concert with or opposed to the military?
  14. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Pow! Pow!

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  15. Angus

    Angus Active Member

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    DIAF you're interesting to read but sometimes you write without reading. If you had read the paper or listened to TV news you would know that Obama, in the person of his Attorney General, is in the process of eviscerating the CIA, the foremost 'security' agency the U.S. has.

    The others will be next. Don't you think Holder can find some past bad (in his definition) actions by people in those agencies? Obama wants only those 'agencies' he can absolutely control.

    He probably does not worry that the next president will use the same modus operandi to undo his devilment because he doesn't think there will be a next president: he'll be the dictator inside of four years. And have a private army to back him up.

    :D
  16. DIAF

    DIAF DivaLover159

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    Perhaps because your "questions" are all based upon the assumption that Obama wants to create his own civilian army to fight an internal enemy. My opinion is that that assumption is wrong, therefore invalidating the questions.

    This is exactly what I said in an earlier post.

    You read something. Instead of trying to apply any sort of reason, many here automatically assume worst-case scenario in regards to the current administration. "I don't like this administration. I don't like Obama. I don't like this other thing that they are doing. I don't like this other thing either. Therefore, this particular thing must be completely evil and an affront to American values"
  17. ShiningStar

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    ANd yet they ignore the point he said about being "just as strong". There is a point to be made here. No one would expect a volunteer group to be just as strong as our military in any way. Not even strong in numbers due to the fact its volunteer and you wont have big numbers.

    You never compare any of these volunteer groups to our military, so why did he do it? Why does he keep telling people what he wants to do and they spin it another way. His own party does more spinning than the people opposed to him.
  18. ShiningStar

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    Than why does he want one?
  19. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Pow! Pow!

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    I would figure he meant in manpower and funding.
  20. DIAF

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