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Biggest mistake was Franchising Spencer

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by bkight13, Jan 30, 2014.

  1. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    And it's not why you think. Wasting 10.6m in cap space was worse than signing him to a long term deal. If they had signed him to a 5/40m deal with 17m guaranteed they could have saved 5.6m on the cap last year and rolled it over to this year. He would only have 6m in dead money left after 2014, but would be under contract for 2014-2017.

    Year Salary SB Cap Hit
    2013 3m 2m 5m
    2014 4m 2m 6m
    2015 7m 2m 9m
    2016 7m 2m 9m
    2017 9m 2m 11m

    It basically gives the team a "free" year in 2014 and plenty of options to keep him if he is still producing or dump him if he isn't. Obviously he would have had to agree to the deal and that may have been the sticking point. But this is more about the franchise tag in general. I think it is a terrible strategy when it the salary is that high. It removes any maneuverability and the player is still a FA after the season. Either work out a long term deal or let him walk. For 10.6m in cap space the Cowboys could have signed 3-4 FAs last year.

    It applies to Hatcher this year. Franchising him would be the worst option. Either try to sign him a 4 or 5 year team friendly deal or let him walk.
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  2. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    It was absolutely the right decision by the Cowboys -- at least for 2013.

    They has concerns signing him to a long term deal for various reasons and while I don't think injury one of them, they ended up getting a huge get-out-of-jail-free card by franchising him.

    Now his return is somewhat questions due to the unpredictable nature of micro-fracture surgery to the knee, however, the Cowboys are not on the hook at all for future money.
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  3. jrumann59

    jrumann59 Well-Known Member

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    Yes on paper but no one could have forecasted he would have missed the season, and would have been hit repeatedly by the injury bug on the DL. THey were leveraging his age on one year deal for him to duplicate his numbers. Now they can sign him to a cheaper deal either 1 year or long term since he missed most of last season.
  4. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    The best decision would've been to sign him after 2012, truly amazing how ahmad brooks is appreciate among 49ers fans compared to spencer here.
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  5. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    no changing to 4-3 was the biggest mistake.
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  6. ninja

    ninja Numbnuts

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    $17M guaranteed for a guy who may never play again is an awful contract. It was bad enough franchising him and paying him $10M. At least we are done with him now and not paying for that mistake for the next two or three years.

    I think extending Ratliff was a bigger mistake than franchising Spencer. Both were major blunders and hurt the defense bad, real bad, especially seeing how the market tanked for DL in FA last year. I knew something was really wrong when Spencer didn't complain about the tag and signed it the first day he could. I think Spencer knew all along his knee was shot and gladly took the money and his agent may have even given him some good inside info that the DL market ain't all that.

    Ratliff, Spencer and Ware accounted for roughly $25-28M of the cap and produced jack squat. That stung bad. Throw in Carr's pedestrian performance and Claibornes's putrid performance and it is pretty easy to see why this was the worst defense in the league.
  7. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    A free year in 2014? He'd have a cap hit of 6 mill. If he didn't come back 100% and we needed to cut him, we'd repeat that 6 mill cap hit in 2015.
  8. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    I hope I never see his ugly mug again!
  9. GloryDaysRBack

    GloryDaysRBack Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Cost us a lot last year but now we are done w him. Long term deal and we'd be still paying that guy.

    Having him last year wouldn't have made a difference anyways. So big deal.

    As opposed to being strapped by bum players year after year, that deal only hampered us for one year.
  10. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Your logic is that it would have been better to guarantee 17M instead of 10.6M to a player that might never play again? That does not make sense at this point.

    Franchising Hatcher is not a great idea. It would prevent them from having any opportunities to get other free agents.
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  11. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    You can't compare Spencer to Brooks because Brooks played last year.

    Michael Bennett 1 year 5 million 8.5 sacks
    Cliff Avril 2 years 13 million 8 sacks
    Anthony Spencer 1 years 10.6 million 0 sacks

    No matter what you think about the decision of signing him, this would have made a difference in our season.
  12. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    O......for some reason I thought the NFL existed before 2013.....silly me

    Funny how you then go on to compare Spencer to 3 guys that played last year

    I don't see what that has to do with my post since both players were signed in 2013 and I said we should've signed him after 2012.
  13. Nation

    Nation Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Truly a devastating blow not having a guy coming off microfracture surgery locked up longterm
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  14. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I'm comparing the decision in the off season, shouldn't have sign him at all is what I'm trying to say, you could've had 2 good pass rushers instead of one.
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  15. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    My post was referring to the 2012 offseason
  16. JoeyBoy718

    JoeyBoy718 Well-Known Member

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    You know another poor decision? Having Tom Brady under contract the year he went down in the 1st game of the season and Cassell started the rest of the season. All that money they wasted on a guy with 0 TD passes.
  17. theogt

    theogt Surrealist Zone Supporter

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    Be careful with the distinction between "mistake" and "undesired result". You can make a correct decision and have the results turn out poor.
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  18. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    amen. however, I would say spencer was very unpopular so most of the same posters calling it a "mistake" didn't want to see it from the beginning
  19. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    You're right, like Spencer, Brady had never done much to deserve his contract either.
  20. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    No...end of story...also a bigger razz to all the people who said we would miss him when hes off the field....noooo......move on

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