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Bob Sturm relays argument against Charles Haley for HOF

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Feb 1, 2013.

  1. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    Bob Sturm ‏@SportsSturm
    Most stunning C Haley talking point on HOF: 3rd in sacks on Dal in 92 (6) and 93 (4). 10 sacks and behind Tolbert and Jeffcoat hurts case.

    I think Haley belongs in, just repeating one voter's reasoning in being a bit hesitant to make sure he gets the right 5 in this year.
  2. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    No other player has five Super Bowl rings, and he played a big role in all five of them.

    That said, he was a first-grade jerk, and in a year like this with so many deserving players, I'd bet he gets bumped back another year.
  3. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Another great example as to why we need better and more descriptive analytic measures than sacks for pass rushers. It's about like Wins for pitchers or RBIs for hitters.
  4. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    No, that would cause posters to acknowledge this wasn't Spencer's first good season, so scratch that idea
  5. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    I loved the Haley acquisition at the time. But it's another case for me where its teams that win Superbowls and not individuals. The fact that he's won 5 on 5 different teams doesn't mean much to me. Nor does the fact that Allen only had one.

    I put Haley's contribution at about the order of players like Woodson and Novacek...very, very important to those teams, and without them we would not have won the big games, but I don't think they're HoF-worthy (with the possible exception of Woody). They (Haley and Woody) deserve the honor of consideration, but they'd fall just short in my book.
  6. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    Sturm is an idiot who didn't start following football until the NHL went bankrupt.
  7. SultanOfSix

    SultanOfSix Star Power

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    Five on two different teams.
  8. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    So you don't agree with Sturm that he thinks Haley is deserving of the HOF?
  9. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    Oh he thinks he's deserving? In that case, he's one of the most knowledgeable football analysts out there today.
  10. jbz64

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    They have to remember that Jeffcoat and Tolbert did not get double or triple teamed like Haley. I believe Haley took us over the hump to become what the Cowboys became in the 90's.
  11. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    My point is that each team is different each year, but, yeah, it wasn't a good point. Two organizations, 5 rings. Great for him, but he wasn't the one winning those trophies by himself.

    He also was reportedly such a bad teammate that I ding him for that. That might not be fair to him, but stories of him masturbating in meetings and urinating on coaches' cars rub me the wrong way.
  12. Wood

    Wood Well-Known Member

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    Haley was the best I ever saw in Dallas and second best (behind Reggie White) all time. Throw stats out...this guy was terror.
  13. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    What a poor choice of words.
  14. DrKennethNoisewater

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    Haley is deserving, unfortunately this class will be a tough one for him to get in. Ogden, Allen, Parcells, Debartolo, Modell, Strahan, Shields, Brown, Carter, and a few others will keep him out this year.
  15. lurkercowboy

    lurkercowboy Active Member

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    For those of us who suffered through the teams of the late 80s and very early 90s without a great pass rusher, Haley in 1992 was an amazing sight. He made everyone around him better.
  16. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    You probably wouldn't believe how long I went back and forth on that one.
  17. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    :bow:
  18. Super_Kazuya

    Super_Kazuya Well-Known Member

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    Put me in the group that has Haley just on the outside of the HOF. People either forget or just aren't old enough to know, but when Haley came here he was in no way thought of someone who was Hall of Fame caliber... he was an extremely talented head case, a dominant pass rusher who was okay at best against the run. He did have that breakout season in 1990 (the kind that you would expect to see about 8 more of from a HOF DE, at least in my HOF) but other than that had been good to very good. Then he leaves one team of the decade for the team of the next decade and apparently has "won" his way into the Hall.

    Definitely not gonna be upset if he makes it; but he just doesn't pass the smell test to me. Also, his 5 Pro Bowls and 2 All-Pros seem low to me (Reggie White had 13 and 8, for an admittedly lofty comparison, but still the best of the best is what we're talking about here).
  19. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    I hate you both... :laugh2:
  20. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    It's the first of February, not April. You can't fool me. I know you love us both.

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