Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by juck, Jul 8, 2012.
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As far as the best show ever conversation goes, I think Breaking Bad is in the conversation, but it's still not taking out The Sopranos. To me, it goes:
1. The Sopranos
2. The Wire
3. Lost (such an intricate and complicated, compelling storyline and characters... just a massive world... disappointed some, but I loved it)
4. Breaking Bad
5. Dexter (if you take away seasons 5 and 6, it's right there with the rest of these shows)
Right now top 5
1. The Wire
2. Breaking Bad
3. The Sopranos
4. The Walking Dead
You can't take away seasons of Dexter without taking away season of The Sopranos and The Wire. Each had their bad seasons also. So far BB hasn't had a bad season.
The Wire didn't have a bad season IMO. Some didn't like season 2, but it was just as important as the rest to me. Season 2 Breaking Bad was weak imo, though the show is still right up there with The Wire for me.
They're really 2 very different shows. BB is a character development story, Walter White's journey from a normal guy to Scarface. The Wire was like one huge novel on social justice and the different worlds we have in America. Both of them are insanely good.
Season 5 of The Wire was not bad but it wasn't as good as the others. The whole faking stories and serial killers just didn't do it for me.
I used to LOVE Dexter, but it's literally the MOST PREDICTABLE show I think I've seen.
Season 5 is the weakest season for me as well, but I didn't think it was bad. David Simon just wanted to show the problems of the newspaper the same way he did with the police, the gangs, the shipyard, etc. His past was in journalism so it only made sense. Plus, I think the ending of the show was beautifully done, so that's my main takeaway from the season.
I guess what I should have said was that I think that seasons 1-4 of Dexter stacks up against any of the shows I had listed above it. But because seasons 5 and 6 were disappointing, I have it at the bottom of my Top 5.
While I don't think Breaking Bad has had a bad season, I also don't think that its highs are as high as The Sopranos, The Wire or Lost. I'm a huge Breaking Bad fan, but at their best, The Sopranos, The Wire and Lost are the best things I've ever seen. Some of that may have to do with the fact that I'm more emotionally invested in the characters from those other shows. Because Walt has basically lost his soul, I don't care as much about him as I did the characters from the other shows, so their actions impacted me more. Even Tony Soprano had some endearing qualities. I still love and root for Jesse, but Walt has completely broken bad now. Whatever happens to him, while I will be completely 100% into it, it won't have the same impact that what happened to Tony, Omar Little or Jack Shephard had on me.
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The ending was great. That was one of the big things I liked about the show. The endings of each season were always great. He wrapped them up well.
Even at Dexter's best(pre season 5), while it was very entertaining and I love the show, the writing on that show has never even come close to the same universe as Sopranos, The Wire, Breaking Bad, etc. Dexter is one of those shows where you just have to ignore the bad writing on even in the early seasons because it's a fun show.
If you haven't seen Treme, David Simon's latest show on HBO, you should check it out. It's about life in post Katrina New Orleans, and while it's far more of a character study than a social commentary like The Wire, it's a phenomenal show. He brought over some of the same actors, and there have been 2 seasons so far with the third starting this fall.
I've watched both seasons of Treme. I like it but not as much as The Wire. I do like the music though.
Yeah, it's nowhere near as good as The Wire, not even close. I do enjoy the show though, both for the music, as well as the characters.
I thought last season when (spoiler in quotes)
We need spoiler tags on this forum too, heh.
It blew me away when that happened. I like him as an actor.
BB is head and shoulders better than The Wire in every aspect.
I can't say the wire is better than any of the shows mentioned.
Of course I can't say that because I have never watched the wire.
However I just don't think I would like it better than the Sopranos or Breaking Bad.
Even with the occasional slow episodes or a season or two that is not as good as the others...I still think Breaking Bad and the Sopranos was some of the best shows on tv.
Also loved Deadwood but they screwed up and got rid of that show too early.
You'd have to read the previous posts to get the context. I said Treme was not even close to as good as The Wire. Yeager and I were having a tangential conversation about David Simon's TV shows.
That being said, I consider The Wire and Breaking Bad to be my two favorite shows of all time, but the acting is the only place where Breaking Bad is better imo. They're honestly apples and oranges as far as TV shows go though, because one of them is a character study about a normal guy's transformation into Scarface, and the other is a social commentary about the two Americas that exist, why the drug war is a failure, how lives are changed in drastic ways because of where a kid was born, etc.
Comparing them directly just doesn't make sense to me. They're both just phenomenal in all regards.