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Bruce Irvin, high-school dropout on the streets, turned his life around

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by cowboyjoe, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. cowboyjoe

    cowboyjoe Well-Known Member

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    Emphasis on "almost." The 6-2, 245-pounder is sure to catch himself. He knows better. He knows he can't skim over one minor detail here. Irvin, who grew up in Atlanta, was a high-school dropout. He ditched school for an abyss of drug dealing and robbery, a world that could've devoured him forever.

    On the field, Irvin is the first to say he's a work in progress. Sure, he tore through the Big East. In two seasons, Irvin finished with 29 tackles for loss and 22.5 sacks. But that was with his hand in the dirt. To catch the Packers' eye - and prove himself as a 3-4 OLB - next week's NFL Combine is crucial.

    At Lucas Oil Stadium, Irvin's 4.4 speed will take center stage. After three years of street pickups and low draft picks, the pass rush-needy Packers may pick a new running mate for Matthews early in the draft and Irvin is a possibility. He doesn't hide from his past. It made him. And Irvin doesn't think he should slip past Green Bay.
  2. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I read about this a couple of weeks ago and was amazed. Makes me like him even more knowing how hungry he is and how hard he is willing to work. Also, the fact that he is still raw technique wise and was still productive at a major college is very impressive. Would love to get this kid in the 3rd, the sky is the limit for him if he stays as hungry as he is. Apparently he's already added 15-20 lbs since the end of the season which puts an end to all the weight issues. If he still blows up the combine speed wise with this added weight i can see him pushing into the second round.
  3. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't mind him later in the draft. Not sure where he would get drafted but I'd think about him in the 4th or 5th.
  4. trickblue

    trickblue Not Old School...Old Testament...

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    Don't think he makes it out of the third... maybe even late second in the right situation...
  5. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    the combine is big for him. The scheme he played in hurt him. Being 245 pounds is not a good size playing in a 3-3 defense.

    I need to see what he does at the combine.

    I don't know if he could play the strong side with being blocked by a TE and RT in the run game.
  6. realtick

    realtick Benched

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    If Irvin can go to a team that will utilize him at least initially the way Denver does with Von Miller, this kid can be very productive.

    He's got some great natural tools.
  7. newnationcb

    newnationcb Well-Known Member

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    Von Miller is who optimistically comes to mind.

    But this is the kid I want more than everyone else in the draft. I'll just overdraft and take him in the second. The kind of speed he runs around wildly with reminds me a bit of Clay Mathews. I don't see any way possible you can't coach him to be at least a decent run player at OLB.

    And he's probably the best natural pass rusher in the draft. I think he's a bit older though.
  8. JeffInDC

    JeffInDC Well-Known Member

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    Tick, this statement has been somewhat brewing in my head as well this offseason in regards to what needs to be done to help the Cowboy's pass rush. Then, I cam up with something that I know the Cowboy's brass hasn't even thought about - move Ware to SOLB and either draft/pick up through FA a pure pass-rushing nightmare to play opposite him. Ware is one of the most complete OLB's to come along in a long time. Sure, his sacks may slip some having to cover TE's & RB's more, but they sure the hell couldn't slip to the 6 a year we've gotten from Spencer. In this role, I could still see Ware getting 12-14 sacks a year - at WORST 10-12. Put Kam Wimbley or Bruce Irvin on the other side and just let them rush the passer - they would EASILY get 10-12 sacks a year.
  9. JeffInDC

    JeffInDC Well-Known Member

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    His speed and HUNGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spencer just seems so non-chalant and NOT sudden out there.
  10. newnationcb

    newnationcb Well-Known Member

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    I actually made my post before I read the article and saw him drooling all over Clay Mathews lol.

    You better be watching file of Demarcus Ware you *****!:D
  11. fortdick

    fortdick Well-Known Member

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't 245 a little light for a SOLB in the 3-4? Maybe a 4-3 OLB or an ILB in a 3-4.

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think he's a 34 OLB. He's small at 240/245 and 6'2", assuming that's his real weight.

    I think he fits a 43 OLB.
  13. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    According to Irvin himself(via twitter) hes been doing nothing but eating and training and has already added around 10 lbs since the end of the college season. The combine is going to be huge for him. If he measures over 6'1 and over 255 and still runs his 40 in the 4.5's hes going in the 2nd round. But if he shows up at 6'1 245 like most places have him listed(his height varies for some reason) than hes going to struggle to get into the 3rd round. Should be interesting, and Im looking forward to watching him perform.
  14. realtick

    realtick Benched

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    That's a different and original take that probably won't win a lot of popularity points around here, lol.

    I can see the logic in your argument for face value, but I could also see some strong valid arguments opposing the notion of moving Ware to SOLB. Namely, he is your best passrusher and teams can scheme him out of doing what he does best by putting him into coverage regularly.

    I think Irvin could work in Dallas if we keep a guy like Spencer for another year and let Rob Ryan utilize Irvin as a pass rush/blitz specialist. There is no shame in initially using players to the best of their abilities instead of trying to find the most well-rounded player. The Patriots have been doing that for years.
  15. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    Everyone said the same thing about Von Miller, Clay Matthews, James Harrison, etc.

    Jason Babin, Roberth Mathis and Cleveland's Sheard are all the same size too, and play the more physically taxing strongside 4-3 DE. The generalizations need to stop.
  16. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    I completely agree. I would also overdraft him in the 2nd if available.
  17. Gaede

    Gaede Well-Known Member

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  18. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    Well to be fair, Miller doesn't play in a 3-4.

    All that aside, I NEVER knock a player purely based on size. While people were freaking out over Von's weight and even Tyron's weight, I never thought that was going to be an issue for either player. It's all about fit and scheme. How many would have predicted Clay Matthews playing on the strong side?

    Irvin I like because his lack of elite size has forced him to improve on things bigger guys get away with. He excels at hand fighting and hand placement. You see him going up against 6'6" tackles who certainly have a reach advantage on him, but he's the one that's usually got his hands in their chest, driving them back.

    I don't know if he could play in our scheme, but his size doesn't exclude him from a 3-4 in my opinion.
  19. JeffInDC

    JeffInDC Well-Known Member

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    I think he could play in this scheme IF they had him play Ware's role of rushing the passer 90% of the time and had Ware play the role vacated by Spencer. GEEZ.........................the fact that Ware even said that (even if it's BS) tells me an even deepr problem with this D - Ryan himself limited what the D should be able to do by constantly rushing the same guy. At the end of the year, everyone just double-teamed Ware on every play.
  20. BAT

    BAT Mr. Fixit

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    Or the Cowboys could play a true 3-4 more often, disguising which OLB is being sent. If there were 2 true pass rushing OLBs, this could be an option. I know, I know, crazy talk here.

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