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can claiborne become a top 10 cb this year?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Howboutdemcowboys31, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. Howboutdemcowboys31

    Howboutdemcowboys31 Active Member

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    What do you think?
  2. Macnalty

    Macnalty Active Member

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    Where do you have him rated after last years rookie campaign?
  3. perrykemp

    perrykemp Well-Known Member

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    He was the 3rd best rookie CB in the NFL after Hayward (Packers) and Jenkins (Rams).

    I believe he has a much higher upside than either of those guys and I expect Claiborne to be one of the top 5 CBs in the NFL this season. Lofty goal I know... but I think he has it in him.
  4. robbieruff

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    I think there's a possibility if his becoming physically stronger translates to greater success (read - no loss in quickness/athleticism) on the field this year...from what I have read this offseason (which isn't a ton), MC has been working to build strength...if there was an area where I thought he struggled at times, increasing his strength should definitely help. There were instances where he appeared to be "out physical led" by some of the bigger receivers he was called upon to cover. He was rarely "beaten" in terms of losing his man or get blown by for a deep ball...it would be the jump passes...where he had good coverage and it was him verses the receiver battling it out while the ball is in the air. If more strength equates to him winning more of those battles, he will be top 10 in my view.
  5. Howboutdemcowboys31

    Howboutdemcowboys31 Active Member

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    Last year right around 25 seems fair. I think he can definitely make the jump to 10ish
  6. CowboysYanksLakers

    CowboysYanksLakers Well-Known Member

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    I just want to see improvement, I believe he'll be better
  7. iceman117

    iceman117 Active Member

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    He needs to be to justify giving up that second round pick for him. I think he can be somewhere around there but after this year he needs to be a top 5 for me to think giving away a second round pick for him
  8. KLJ

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    i don't see it happening. he would have to improve leaps and bounds to make the top 10.
  9. dstovall5

    dstovall5 Well-Known Member

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    Some wishful thinking ... No way will he be top 5 or top 10. If he can be a top 15-20 CB next year then I'd be very happy with that.

    All these guys will still play CB next year ...

    (In no order)
    R.Sherman
    D.Revis
    C.Tillman
    P.Peterson
    C.Tillman
    C.Bailey
    T.Jennings
    B.Flowers
    A.Cromartie
  10. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Really? A second year player needs to be a top 5 CB in the entire NFL to justify a first and second round pick spent on him? I think people are overestimating the value of draft picks again.
    What do you think top-5 CBs his age get traded for in the second years of their rookie deals, anyway?
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  11. rash

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    don't forget AOA...
  12. dstovall5

    dstovall5 Well-Known Member

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    Call Arizona and find out, I heard they'd be willing to give up P.Peterson for a 3rd round pick. #CBsGrowOnTrees
  13. iceman117

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    I said next year he needs to be a top 5 which would be his third year, I said this year he needs to be around a top 10 to justify giving up a 2nd round pick for him
    Think of the second round picks Garret has made since being the HC, Sean Lee, Bruce Carter,traded,Escobar.... We were still picking high we could have drafted numerous corners who would be good serviceable corners where we where in that draft. So I'm not over valuing draft picks at all it is what it is. So if Mo isn't one of the best corners in the NFL then yeah it was a bad trade... If you disagree with that then there is no hope for you bro sorry
  14. iceman117

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    I don't think this qualifies to what me and him are debating about. We are talking about a trade on draft day not 3 years after the draft. Plus I don't think they would trade P.Peterson for a 3rd and if they would that just shows the value of draft picks
  15. sureletsrace

    sureletsrace Official CZ Homer

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    I'm a big homer, and I predict him to have an amazing season, but Top-10? Highly unlikely. I'd love for it to happen, but that's a LOT to ask. There are some seriously incredible CBs in the NFL right now.
  16. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    Yeah, I disagree with it. A second-year player at top-5 in the league at one of the most valuable defensive positions mid-way through his rookie deal for what we gave up to get the 6 pick last year is an outright steal. I'm not saying the guy's going to be a top-5 player at his position, mind you. Just saying that you're expecting a ridiculously rich return on that pick.

    I heard they were asking for a whole starting OG in return, so that's probably out of the question.
  17. dstovall5

    dstovall5 Well-Known Member

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    I think you're setting pretty unrealistic expectations on MO asking for him to be a top 5-10 when last year he was no where close to that (not a knock on him). If you look at the CBs currently in the league I'm not so sure he'll ever be a top 5 CB as long as those others are playing as well, that's just a testament as to how good the other CBs are. Btw, I'd take a top 15-20 CB (which I think he'll be that this year) any day over a 2nd round pick selection who could very easily end up being a bust.
  18. iceman117

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    A
    We were picking 14th we moved up 8 spots.... And again look at Garret's other 2 2nd rd picks in the 2 previous drafts... It's not like we couldn't have gotten the type of player your saying its ok for Mo to be with the 14th pick. You move up and trade a premium draft pick away because your trading for a superstar, if he's not a superstars then its a bad trade.

    And again I said by his third year in the league he needs to be this I don't know why you keep repeating his second year,lol but he does need to be good in year 2 but by year 3 he isn't going to get much better than that when he is 25 years old. So I'm not sure what we are debating but second round picks are very important especially coming off a 8-8 year. And it's not going to work out for the team if you put big stock in a guy and he turns out to be just above average...
  19. iceman117

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    I'm not setting up anything for Mo, I said if he's not that then it's a bad trade..
    And getting Mo for a second rounder would be a steal, but they traded their first and second for him, 2 picks for 1... There were a few good corners to take with the 14th pick that year. You don't trade up for a good player you trade up for a great one... When these things don't work out it can really hurt your roster.. I don't think you guys are valuing draft picks enough, and if you look at the good teams in the league they build with their draft picks a lot of the time by trading back and getting more picks but it can be worth it when the player turn out to be great...

    I expect Mo to be a pro bowl player maybe not this year but after this for sure so I'm not saying the trade is bad, but if he doesn't then the trade is bad
  20. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    I expect him to be top 6.

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