Chance Warmack, Jonathan Cooper and Travis Frederick

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Jstopper, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:57 AM.

  1. Jstopper

    Jstopper Well-Known Member

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    I think these three players really should teach ppl to have patience for draft picks and let them touch the field before calling them busts or all pros. Leading up to the draft so many posters on both this website and the ranch were calling Cooper and Warmack "can't miss" products and declaring Jerry a fool if he didn't trade up and grab one of these future hall of famers. Instead we trade DOWN and pickup some lowly slow noname center from Wisconsin Frederick. Jerry and Garrett were lambasted destroyed dragged through the mud how stupid could they be reaching for this scrub and letting the two great guards get swiped from under their noses?!?! Stupid stupid front office.

    Fast forward 4 years and Fredrick is a 3 time all pro center meanwhile the other two are both on different teams than they were drafted by (all 3 are in the NFC east now coincidentally). I think we as posters fall in love with players and think we know how to assemble a superbowl winning roster every year but come on guys let's be real these guys do get paid to be scouts for a reason. I bring this up to say that I know the FO knows a hell of a lot more than me and I believe in our draft picks and trust they will be home runs like we have been hitting recently. GO COWBOYS!!!
     
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  2. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    good example indeed
     
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  3. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    Nice, except that Frederick was the top center in that draft. Ranked as a 2nd round pick by a lot of prognosticators.
     
  4. sbark

    sbark Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Have to at least add Will McClay to the credit list, if not give him full credit for the Frederick pick.......
     
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  5. Carharris2

    Carharris2 Well-Known Member

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    This happens at many posistions. Some wanted us to trade up for a qb. Others used the example that there were many very good and one great starters in the league that weren't first round picks.

    Evaluating talent based on college is a crap shoot.
     
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  6. silver

    silver Well-Known Member

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    False, his grade was all over the place. Mike Mayock had a 3rd round grade on him. It was considered a reach by the majority.
     
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  7. diefree666

    diefree666 Well-Known Member

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    And the majority thought Ryan Leaf was going to be a great QB. See how that can be turned against you?
     
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  8. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Not only that, the Cowboys know what players fot their sytem and which ones don't. Sometimes the player that fits isn't ranked as highly or regarded as the best prospect.
     
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  9. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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    All this knows is that he's as excited as a pack of dogs outside a meat truck.
     
  10. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    It still doesn't make sense to me but i'll take it.


    Cooper was such a good athlete.

    Warmack is good but nothing real special.

    Frederick had some of the worst feet I've ever seen, fell down all of the time, and couldn't get to the 2nd level.
     
  11. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    I think there's two sides of this.

    The first side is that we have a lot of people who study the draft and analyze players, so I have no problem reading their opinions even if they are not favorable toward the player we selected. When we draft a player, we have no idea how he is going to turn out so it's interesting to me to see what other fans think.

    The other side is that there are always those who jump off the cliff. They do exactly what you said in declaring the pick a bust, the front office stupid for taking him, etc. There is nothing productive about their complaining about the pick.

    My position has always been wait and see concerning any pick, not drawing any conclusions, while looking at what the experts have to say about the player, what members here have to say and adding in my thoughts if I believe they have any value.

    Some take any critical analysis as if the one offering it is calling the pick a bust, the front office stupid, etc., but I believe there is a place for it without drawing those kind of conclusions.
     
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  12. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    I never saw that with Frederick. When watching his film, I didn't really understand the criticisms other than he didn't move well laterally. There was plenty of footage of him getting to the second level to seal off linebackers as long as he wasn't asked to move to his left or right too much, such as on pull plays. The main thing I noticed about him was his power, though. He could stone linemen and didn't need to get clean hits on linebackers on the move to get them out of the way.
     
  13. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    Cowboy fans should know this well.

    Drew Pearson
    Tony Romo
    Cliff Harris
    Dak Prescott
    Nate Newton
    Everson Walls
    Mark Tuinei

    There have been many players come through here with no pedigree that had great careers. Don't judge guys fully until they play.

    Frederick was highly touted as a center, but if you had that draft again, he'd go much higher than he did.

    Kudos to Will McClay. The dude can spot talent.
     
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  14. ShiningStar

    ShiningStar Well-Known Member

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    Fredrick is one of the players that reminds everyone, the combine is not a science. I think Travis is really reminding teams, "a center is worth investing in" I am glad we did it. I was happy for that pick. No one can deny that sometimes there is more to a player than what the experts think.
     
  15. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    How is that turned against him? That's the point of the whole thread and the angle he's strengthening.

    Frederick was considered the best center in the draft by many, but still considered a 2nd or 3rd round prospect and ultimately a reach for us at the end of the 1st. He wasn't considered to be anywhere close to Cooper or Warmack's league.

    But obviously Frederick is the much better player.
     
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  16. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    I'm curious if he would have ended up as the first lineman taken or if some of the teams would have still preferred going with a decent left tackle like Eric Fisher (first overall) because of need over an elite center.

    Obviously, a starting left tackle is valued over a starting center, but it can be argued that Frederick is a much better player at his position than Fisher is at tackle.
     
  17. Jstopper

    Jstopper Well-Known Member

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    People forget this when it comes to their favorite players. Scheme is huge and breaking down tape is a strenuous activity most people don't even know what to look for
     
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  18. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    That's why I hate drafting for need. You end up missing out on transcendent players in your organization. Frederick already looks like the best center in Cowboys history. Better than Stepnoski, Fitzgerald, Shiver (lol)....
     
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  19. Jstopper

    Jstopper Well-Known Member

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    Did you see how many people were calling jaylon and dak wastes of a pick? People don't know how to let things play out
     
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  20. darthseinfeld

    darthseinfeld Today's Winner Of The Internet Zone Supporter

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    You alot of emotional responses during the draft threads. Hell I was livid with the Smith pick when it came down, and openly questioned Prescotts chances at being a starting level QB.

    One of the traps we get into following the draft is it must go a certain way, must follow a certain pattern and must maintain a certain philosophy or it is a failure. It's much more fluid than that
     
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