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Chavez, Ahmadinejad meet, discuss OPEC converting reserves to a stronger currency

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Maikeru-sama, Nov 19, 2007.

  1. Maikeru-sama

    Maikeru-sama Mick Green 58

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    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in Iran to Boost Ties With Ahmadinejad
    Monday, November 19, 2007

    TEHRAN, Iran — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez made his fourth trip to Iran in two years on Monday, state media reported, as the two countries sought to strengthen ties while their leaders exhort the international community to resist U.S. policies.

    Chavez, who arrived in Tehran from Saudi Arabia where he attended the weekend's OPEC summit, is expected to discuss various political and economic issues with his Iranian counterpart, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

    Chavez was accompanied by a string of top Venezuelan officials for the hours-long visit, including the foreign, industry, oil and communication ministers, as well as the mayor of Caracas, the country's capital.

    Ahmadinejad also attended the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries summit in Riyadh.

    During the gathering, the two firebrand leaders echoed one another, blaming U.S. President George W. Bush's policies for the decline of the dollar and its negative effect on other countries, and challenging Saudi Arabia's reluctance to mention weak dollar concerns in the summit's final declaration.

    Ahmadinejad claimed OPEC's member countries want to convert their cash reserves into a currency other than the depreciating U.S. dollar, which he called a "worthless piece of paper."

    Chavez said the dollar was in free-fall and that its "empire" must end, and proposed trading oil in a basket of currencies excluding the dollar.

    But the two were unable to generate support from enough in the 13-member cartel -- many of whom, including Saudi Arabia, are staunch U.S. allies.

    Tehran is in a bitter standoff with Washington over its nuclear program, which the U.S. fears is a cover for a weapons program but which Iran insists is peaceful.

    Meanwhile, the U.S. accuses Chavez of being a threat to stability in Latin America, while the Venezuelan leader is constantly criticizing U.S. "imperialism" under Bush. Chavez has also defended Iran's nuclear ambitions, dismissing Washington's concerns that Tehran is secretly trying to develop atomic weapons.

    Iran's foreign ministry spokesman, Mohammad Ali Hosseini, said Sunday the two leaders would sign economic deals and memorandums of understanding in economic fields, and an agreement on small and medium enterprises.

    In July, the two countries broke ground to start building a jointly owned petrochemical complex in Iran, with 51 percent of it in Iranian ownership and 49 percent to be owned by Venezuela. The two also began construction of a second petrochemical complex in Venezuela, at a total combined cost of US$1.4 billion (euro956 million). No details on the ventures have been disclosed.

    The two nations believe their petrochemical partnership will help Iran access markets in Latin America and Venezuela would get access to energy markets in Asia, especially India.

    During Chavez's previous visit in July, the two countries signed some 20 economic and trade agreements. Since 2001, they have signed over 180 trade agreements, worth more than US$20 billion (euro15 billion) in potential investment, according to IRNA.

    Iran has partnered with Venezuela on several industrial projects in the South American nation, including the production of cars, tractors and plastic goods.

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  2. Maikeru-sama

    Maikeru-sama Mick Green 58

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    The U.S. policy regarding Iran is totally wrong.

    Ahmadinejad is hugely unpopular in Iran (especially among the young people) and the real power doesn't even rest with him. Heck, a couple of members of his government were forced to resign at one point.

    Everytime the U.S. threatens sanctions and leaves the door open for a pre-emptive strike, it just polarizes all of Iran and even his most ardent detractors side with him.

    They need to engage this guy and play to the pro-American young crowd in Iran imo.
  3. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    That would require subtle diplomacy -- not this administration's strong point. They prefer the simplistic, brutish approach. Think Ivan Drago from Rocky IV -- "I must break you."
  4. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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  5. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    sigh more friggin monetary/resource hostage.

    i hate these oil producing sob's. i would love to take a dump in their turbans.

    i can not wait til we use less oil than most 3rd world countries and can laugh at these little sand boxes all over with no way to make money as oil sales for 15 bucks a barrel and we charge them 200 bucks a bushel for the cotton for their turbans.
  6. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    You can not work with a country that is part of the axis of evil...don't you know?

    /sarcasm off

    On a side note...maybe we need that guy in spain to tell alphabet to shut up again.:laugh2:
  7. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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  8. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    :rolleyes:


    NEW YORK: Calling Iran a danger to the U.S. and one of Israel's greatest threats, U.S. senator and presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said "no option can be taken off the table" when dealing with that nation.

    "U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal: We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons," the Democrat told a crowd of Israel supporters. "In dealing with this threat ... no option can be taken off the table."


    Two sides of the same coin.
  9. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Well considering one(Bush) has actually started a War for shall we say...dubious reasons and the other(Clinton) has not...there is no other side to the coin.

    And until she is actual President and ACTUALLY starts a War...Bush is all alone on his side of the coin.

    We have SEVEN years of history with Bush being President.

    But again until Hillary is actually President you don't really know one way or the other what she would do or how she will act.

    But we do with Bush.

    But this really isn't about Bush...this is about not wanting people to follow Bush that think like he does or that want to carry on his policy's.
  10. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Or someone here to tell you all to shut-up. I could be that guy if you want.


    PM me?
  11. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    Yea all except that nasty little part where one has actually went to war and the other hasn't.
  12. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    But she voted for it and supported it. So in a sense she did go to war. Spin it however you want.

    You liberals love to skew things. Either get things straight or just don't post this silliness.

    Please don't reply saying that you are not a liberal. That's just more silliness.
  13. jterrell

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    In the Nevada Debate Hillary addressed this with a soldier and his Mom; and explained why she (alone amongst the Dems) had voted to label the Iranian guard a terrorist group. She said Bush needed to understand that he can and will not get Congressional approval to attack Iran and any effort to do so would be worthy of impeachment proceedings but that we know the Guard is sending weapons and technology to help injure and kill our armed services members in Iraq.

    We are not going to go to war with Iran but we are also not going to play pacifist either and stop all non-war efforts to curtail their nuclear proliferation.
  14. jterrell

    jterrell Penguinite

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    She did approve it and would do so all over again if convinced Iraq had weapons of mass destruction as instructed by our intelligence community at the behest of the administration.

    And yes I am liberal, compared to you and your pappy Karl Rove. :laugh1:
    Compared to everyone else I am pretty moderate.
  15. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    given i've shown quotes from bill in 1998 where he said "something must be done" yet did nothing, is the answer to simply say SOMETHING MUST BE DONE yet never do anything that could cause problems or hardship?

    i see the "something must be done" crowd all the time in mid-management but i see so few step up to try. either the talent or skillset isn't there, or where it is the person feels like it would be hopeless, so just float along, or what?

    i've seen enough people who just talk (clintons for some) and i've seem some who'll try and screw it up. (bush) in the last 16 years. i don't wanna go back to talking a good fight and i'd like to see us get something right for a change.
  16. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    but they both said "something must be done". i find it depressing that doing nothing but talking is considered a better approach than getting it wrong but trying.

    yea, about as depressing as i find it we can't seem to get it right OR find a leader who's almost a "reluctant messiah" so to speak.
  17. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Keep trying guy's, she's banging the war drum too. And for the abolutely ridiculous notion that she hasn't started one: Senator's don't have the authority to do such things; you can't compare her current position with one she's never held.

    She's in line with Bush's thinking and she's speaking the exact same language in regard to Iran, from supporting the bill to label the Guards terrorists, to Bush's saying verbatim: No options will be off the table.:rolleyes:

    Hey, by all means support who want, just realize it's all status qo.
  18. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Call me skeptical...but I just can't see Hillary banging the war drum like Bush.

    I don't think it will be status quo in Iraq or about Iran.

    I think she'll change things in Iraq and after all the Saber rattling between Bush and Ahmadinejad maybe she will be able to get Iran to back down maybe? Maybe...maybe not...but I think she'll be Fine as President.
  19. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    The Iranian Wack Job is nothing but a figurehead, mouthpiece for the mullahs. eveything he says and does is approved by them. They are no different then that crazy Khomeini was. they are the ones running the show not wack job.
  20. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Whether or not she's genuine, what exactly is her point? Isn't there a word for talking out of both sides of your mouth? She's simply another politician. They break it up into 'parties' and pretend to be polarized on the 'issues' - the issues they politicize based on how the wind blows.

    It's not Democrats, it's not Republicans, it's politicians.
    They're all the same.

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