Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Romonater, Jun 22, 2013.
I hate the Seahawks. That's all.
Nice find on the chat transcript, coogrfan.
This is just me, but I have no problem with robot personalities (Ware) when they net your team 15 sacks a year.
Maybe because Hurt didn't see fit to gloat about it afterwards.
No cheap shot, IMO. head is on a swivel on special teams. I know that's easier said than done.
The antics afterward is what gets me. Tate acted a complete fool and was taunting. Should of been a flag.
AND I agree with the sentiment of the cowboys taking that crap like a bunch of death camp prisoners. No retaliation? Really........
Back in 2008, I remember the Skins playing the Cardinals, and Dockett was doing all kinds of cheap stuff which pissed off Portis. So on one play, Portis stayed in to block and went after Dockett with one nasty block. Absolutely leveled Dockett lol...Portis practically stood over him, yelling something or another. Dockett gets up and starts going towards Portis--and Stephon Heyer (LT) comes in and BLAM!--knocks Dockett back down again lol *grin*...Yes, it resulted in a penalty that negated a 68 yard TD pass from Campbell to Devin Thomas (Skins still won), but it sent a clear message:
To paraphrase Clint Eastwood: "You ever come across a team you realize you never should have (eff'd) with?...That's us."
Both the Cowboys and the Redskins need to take that attitude towards the Seahawks the next time they play each other.
Wow, I can't believe I am doing this -- that should have been a penalty. It looked to me like Tate used the crown of his helmet as a weapon (launched himself into Lee). If Lee had been a receiver and Tate a saftey -- that is most definitely a defenseless receiver incident.
I don't particularly like the rule, but that's what it is right now...
I'm sort of trying to say that. I can see how he ended up hitting Lee's helmet. It's not irrefutable that he did, but it looks like he did.
I think he was just trying to get in front of Lee, get down, and then use his legs to make as crushing a block as he could make. I don't know how 'defenseless' is defined, so it might well be that Lee was defenseless there. but the blocker is right in front of him, Lee's not extended or making himself vulnerable in any way. He just didn't see the guy. You can't fairly blame the blocker for that, and you definitely want the blocker to be able to lay the wood if he's able to. If Lee is defenseless by the rule, and you can't lead with the crown on a defenseless player, then, ok, it's obviously a foul.
I think the biggest thing, as I said, is the helmets hitting. Either way, if I"m coach, I want my WR trying to make that play. I agree that I don't like Golden Tate as a player, at all, and his antics after the hit are annoying and unprofessional. I just didn't think the play itself was intentionally dirty.
The helmet hit isn't as big a deal as the fact that Tate was going the opposite direction of the football. That in and of itself is against the rules.
But, you know, replacement refs.
Truth is, there's no enforcer on this team. They play well enough to win games but hey do it without any sort of attititude. I'm hoping Kiffin & Marinelli's defense will change all that and set the tone for our games.
That makes him "defenseless" but you can still hit a defenseless player. All "defenseless" means is that he is afforded additional protection than a player who isn't considered defenseless.
WRs are defenseless all the time and you can still hit them, just not in certain fashions.
I thought that was a good hit as well.
Rat's an enforcer. Church might be, too, I think. Victim of Tate's block or not, Sean Lee has great leadership skills. He's not a physically dominating guy, though.
Offensively, I think Frederick is just what we've been needing as far as nastiness on the OL goes. And Dez has the swagger.
Enforcers come about naturally when your team starts winning the big games. Control the turnovers, we'll win the games. And suddenly people aren't going to know where all this swagger came from, after all. The same thing started happening in 2007 when we started the year with a run of victories.
Good point esp with Church. Rat can be beast but I don't think he really scares anyone with his hits. Same thing with Ware and Lee -- you'll get the perfect wrap up tackle, maybe a turnover -- good solid football but not anything that puts fear into opposing players. One of the biggest reasons why our team never gets respect IMHO. I'm actually hoping Bruce Carter will emerge. Kid brings the violent type hits that this D needs.
Good point on Rat. I was thinking more in terms of getting in fights in preseason and having an attitude, but he's not a Patrick Willis out there.
I was thinking of including Carter. The guy hits like a Mack truck. He's a bit in Lee's shadow right now, but, you're right, that could very well change this year....
the hit doesn't bother me, Tate's reaction does...and obviously, he still thinks about it...idiot
Put me in the category that had no problem with it either....I don't like Tate but it was a good block. He caught Lee at the perfect time.
Karma is a......
Not sure how but Tate will get his. Take that to the bank.
Nor did I...other than being embarrassed for Lee after the fact it was a clean block.