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Classless Redsk*n move

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by john van brocklin, Oct 9, 2013.

  1. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    I suggest you read Rick Reilly's piece on this. He did go to the Indian reservations, and found no problem with the name.
  2. Hook'em#11

    Hook'em#11 Well-Known Member

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    Censoring the word in here. What a joke..

    Oh well, RedskIns suck, and always will.
  3. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    How many times does the censoring thing have to be addressed before posters collectively pay attention to it? It's fascinating to watch an idea set into the echo chamber and become fact when the people who should know are saying the exact opposite. (Full disclosure, I actually don't *know* in this case for sure why the asterisk is in place, but it's sort of beside the point, now). Reality just doesn't matter when it comes to groupthink. It goes to show you how powerful the will to be deluded can be in general, much less how powerfully hard it is to overcome it in a regular subjective football argument. It's really bizarre, in a kind of cool way.
  4. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    I am sure his poll was all-inclusive, extensive (regionally) and scientifically produced and generated. :rolleyes:
    If his poll is exact, it represents a landmark achievement of recording one people's collective (and not cherry-picked) views. Or did he just go to the casino reservations?
    But, yes, I will look for the well-known Rick Reilly's piece.
  5. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    Just don't get RED in the face and don't be so SKIN-deep sensitive. ;)
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  6. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

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    Here you go.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9689220/redskins-name-change-not-easy-sounds
  7. john van brocklin

    john van brocklin Captain Comeback

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    He was ranking Coach Landry as the Cowboy's # One *******, as in rectum.
    Coach Landry was a war hero and high character person, I found this highly insulting.
    I obviously am not a Deadskins Fan, but I respect Joe Gibbs for the kind of person he was.
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  8. Venger

    Venger Well-Known Member

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    Blind loyalty? Who am I blindly loyal to? The long dead owner of the Redskins?

    There is a cognitive disconnect in each of your posts. The first is why would a racist name his team something he would consider racially derogatory (why would a vegetarian eat meat - one proposition MUST be false), the second to what is being paid "blind loyalty" that would prevent us from "connecting the dots". I don't expect you to actually deal with those two clearly dissonant and logically flawed propositions - I imagine a third canard will be raised. So raise away...
  9. Hook'em#11

    Hook'em#11 Well-Known Member

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    I find it insulting that you respect Gibbs for anything. But, I am a baby Cowboys fan that holds grudges... LOL.
  10. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    He states: "And I definitely don't know how I'll tell the athletes at Wellpinit (Wash.) High School -- where the student body is 91.2 percent Native American -- that the "Redskins" name they wear proudly across their chests is insulting them. Because they have no idea."
    Question: The student body is largely American Indian. But what percent likes the names Redskins? If he states it I missed it.
    The Superintendent says: "I've talked to our students, our parents and our community about this and nobody finds any offense at all in it," says Tim Ames, the superintendent of Wellpinit schools.
    Question: Is this not anecdotal evidence?

    He further states: And it's not going to be easy telling the Kingston (Okla.) High School (57.7 percent Native American) Redskins that the name they've worn on their uniforms for 104 years has been a joke on them this whole time. Because they wear it with honor.
    "We have two great tribes here," says Kingston assistant school superintendent Ron Whipkey, "the Chicasaw and the Choctaw. And not one member of those tribes has ever come to me or our school with a complaint. It is a prideful thing to them."
    Question: Where is the poll here, at a school that is roughly 58 percent American Indian? Is Ron Whipkey the ultimate source or a substitute for a poll?

    He states: Same story with the Red Mesa (Ariz.) High School Redskins. They wear the name with fierce pride. They absolutely don't see it as an insult. But what do they know? The student body is only 99.3 percent Native American.
    Question: Where is the poll here? Again, we should take his word, right? Ancedotal evidence.

    Now comes the poll, and he states: "And even though an Annenberg Public Policy Center poll found that 90 percent of Native Americans were not offended by the Redskins name . . . "
    Well, that proves it. 90 percnet of Native Americans. In what region? In the backyard of University of Pennsylvania? Did they use phone calls? Internet? Shopping center queries?
    Tell me, did you know any poll can be skewed by region, type of people polled, the type of communications (phone/internet/mail/man on the street)?
    And where are the polls in the West? Calif. Arizona, the pueblos of New Mexico? The Utes, the peoples of Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas etc. where you won't find much telecommunicating equipment? I am sure Annenberg was above board and egalitarian. Yet, one poll does not confer a people's thought process or preferences.

    So you and little Danny Snyder have this one poll. Wonderful.
    Go ask Suzan Shown Harjo, American Indian activist. I am sure she could produce a poll, perhaps skewing her way. And her way is that the name offends her, her family and members of her community. Danny Snyder and his lawyers I am sure will outshout her in the media and in "polls". And that is too bad.
  11. Cowboys22

    Cowboys22 Well-Known Member

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    Why would he, seriously? Because he was a huge racist and didnt care that the word was derogatory even at the time. He changed the name from a word (Braves) that would still today be considered complimentary to a word that even then was becoming more and more derogatory and you ask why. I think it's self explanatory. Being racist is what racists do.

    The blind loyalty is to the team and it's tradition which is fine and to be expected but it clouds your judgement in the matter. I don't see how anyone could support the continued use of the word as a team mascot when every single dictionary defines it as derogatory and racist. It means nothing where the word came from or how many Native American tribes used it 200 years ago. What matters is how the word evolved and what it means today. It is soo widely considered racist that it hasn't been spoken in daily conversation for over 50 years. That should be enough to change it and it probably should have been done 20 years ago. If in 50 years from now, "Cowboys" is widely considered a derogatory term referring to some minority group and dictionaries define it as such, I would say it would have to change. I certainly wouldn't want to support the name any longer if it ever came to that. It wouldn't matter that the name was used differently for hundreds of years.
  12. NorthTexan95

    NorthTexan95 Well-Known Member

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    As one of Irish heritage I am offended by the term "Fighting Irish" because I hate Notre Dame. However, I don't mind Irish who fight.

    Whew! Glad to get that off my chest.
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  13. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    You should visit Farmers Branch, Home of the Fighting Idiots!
    You can eat free at my place anytime!
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  14. dallasdave

    dallasdave Well-Known Member

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    I hate the redskins no matter how you spell them.
  15. Star4Ever

    Star4Ever Well-Known Member

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    Personally I prefer Foreskins or Redstains. :D
  16. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    huh? that isn't how it works, sorry
  17. The Ominous

    The Ominous Dead Man Stalkin

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    R-E-D-S-K-I-N-S
  18. dallasdave

    dallasdave Well-Known Member

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    The important thing to remember is that the REdskins suck and we hate them.
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  19. Venger

    Venger Well-Known Member

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    He wouldn't name HIS team a derogatory, racist term, no matter how racist he was. Again, a vegetarian eating meat exposes one supposition as false. Same here - a racist doesn't name his team something racially derogatory.

    The ONLY use of the word is in contextual relations to the football team. Nobody uses redskin, ever, in any context in modern vernacular without referring to the team. You're more likely to hear someone referred to as a Plantagenet than a redskin.

    Sometimes offense is given, and sometimes, it has to be taken. This is the case of the latter.
  20. dallasdave

    dallasdave Well-Known Member

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    The only thing offensive is the Redskins themselves.

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