Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by WoodysGirl, Jun 11, 2014.
Neither will Hatcher
You are right. Keeping Hayden on the field every play is the best approach.
A fresh body who lacks talent, still lacks talent. The hope is that McClain is an upgrade, but I doubt it. While a rotation of players helps to get the best out of them, (in some cases, some players need a chance to get in a rhythm), you can't make chicken salad out of chicken s.
Whos the biggest surprise so far in practice as far as production? Offense/Defense?
Terrell McClain on defense. Honestly didn't know much about him. He's been really good. On offense, it's a little harder because there are more known commodities, but I like what Tim, Benford has done in a backup role at receiver. Lance Dunbar's been good too.
Have they put on pads yet?
Wouldn't you like to hear that folks are doing well out there doing whatever they're doing, whether they're in pads or not? I would think that excelling at this point in comparison to your peers (even with no pads) is at least a bit encouraging.
Don't mean to single you out or anything, just speaking in general to those who seem to want to completely disregard anything that they've seen thus far because of a lack of pads.
because we have seen OTA queens look bad when the pads come on
I suppose that's true, but can't you say the same about training camp, preseason, etc?
Definitely, but when a guy has a proven track record of being a journeyman in the league, don't use his OTA work as "proof" that he is something he isn't.
No it's easier to think that replacing Hayden (the worst DL in the league) with anyone isn't an upgrade.
That's a good point.
Could not agree more. Jimmy's front 7 did not become dominant until they brought in Charles Haley. Jimmy believed in speed, toughness and waves of fresh players on the DL but without the threat of a proven pass rusher, it was a good D but not the BEST D that it soon became with Haley's arrival.
Trouble is, I don't know if they are more talented than the group we had on the field for most of last year, even with Ware hobbled. I think the depth is better than the street free agents we kept bringing in, but the starting group could be weaker, so it might balance out ... leaving us with a defense that still could end up around 32nd.
They had pads on when I studied McClain in 2013 and 2011.
He was significantly better in 2013 than as a rookie in 2011. Both his skill and physical ability were better.
Having said that, he was probably as good in 2011 as Hayden was last season.
Playing the 1 will be even better for him than playing the zero like he did last season.
He must be the best kept secret in the league then! Aren't you the guy who keeps hyping up Jeremy Parnell? Sorry if I don't trust your evaluation. Why hasn't the guy started a game in over 4 years? He only had 1 game in 2013 where he had more than one tackle. He might be better than Hayden, but there is no way to tell based on his body of work in the league so far.
McClain has only played for 3 years and started all of 2011.
McClain was a guy the team liked on tape. They went out and signed him like the 2nd or 3rd day of FA, so he was clearly part of the plan. If he looked good on film in 2013 (which explains why they signed him) and looked good in OTAs and is replacing a street free agent for us, I don't think it's much of a stretch to say he's probably going to be a decent upgrade for us at that position.
I don't know. Last years tape on Hayden was pretty impressive.
So why was he let go after his rookie season? Why has he not started a game since? Why did he not record multiple tackles in more than one game last year?