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Conservatives surge in opposition to Bush

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  1. ThaBigP

    ThaBigP New Member

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    http://www.newsmax.com/politics/conservatives_bailout/2008/09/30/135920.html

    Conservatives Stand Ground Against Bailout


    Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:57 PM

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    ATLANTA — The failure of a massive Wall Street bailout bill and a steep fall in the stock market were prices worth paying to stand up for principle, some conservatives said on talk radio shows Tuesday.


    Conservatives strongly oppose the rescue plan President Bush proposed last week, arguing that it amounts to government intervention in the free market and would misspend taxpayer money to help big banks.


    They also say that Congress would have regretted passing the $700 billion bill so hastily and more time should be spent on a search for a solution that adheres to conservative ideals.


    "I'm not particularly distressed that the bailout bill did not pass. I want to see this thing (the bill) flesh itself out a little over a period of days," said talk show host Neal Boortz, who describes himself as a libertarian.


    The House rejected the package after a majority of Democrats supported it but the majority of Republicans opposed it.


    The vote came as a shock to many and prompted one of the biggest plunges in stock prices in Wall Street history, with all sides blaming each other for a failure to reach consensus.


    While conservatives said they recognized the seriousness of the market's fall, they would hold fast to their principles that on the economy include low taxes, small government and fiscal responsibility.


    "I shouldn't say this, but I'm going to say it anyway. Screw the market!" said conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh as part of his analysis of Monday's events. "OK, I'll take that back, not screw the market but let me tell you something: When the government fails to pass a socialism bill and the market goes south, let it go south. I don't want to pass a socialism bill just to protect the stock market."


    Waning Popularity


    In an attempt to put further pressure on Congress when it reconvenes later in the week, Bush said on Tuesday the U.S. economy was depending on decisive action from the government or the economic damage could be "painful and lasting."


    But part of the problem for some conservatives was a lack of confidence in the president they once saw as a champion of their cause for his commitment to tax cuts and his firm response to the 9/11 attacks.

    "I don't trust you (Bush) and when you start screaming now of dire consequences if we don't get a bailout bill, I don't trust you. I need convincing and apparently there are a lot of members of Congress who feel the same way," said Boortz in a view echoed by several of his listeners.

    Callers also said they did not appreciate what they saw as scare tactics used by Bush and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson.


    "It almost sounds like they are demagoguing and preaching that the sky is falling, which makes me skeptical," said one caller.


    Tens of millions of conservatives tune in to AM talk radio and trust its nationally syndicated hosts over media outlets they say have a liberal bias.

    Several of the hosts say they are engaged in a long struggle to persuade the Republican Party and the country to return to its conservative roots and they see the bailout bill as an important trial of strength.



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  2. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    Yeah, I'm really ticked at Bush for trying this. The proposal he sent was a disaster and if this wasn't an election year, the Dems would have passed it. It's socialism at it's heights and I am surprised this came from the administration.
  3. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    Wait a minute. In the other thread, you said it was the Dems fault that everyone lost money yesterday, but know you're saying you're glad it didn't pass?

    So, what, exactly, do you really think about the plan?
  4. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    I said in the other thread it was the dems fault because they brought it to the floor for a vote knowing it wouldn't pass. And knowing the results ahead of time and what would happen on Wall Street was their fault.

    This Bill should have been fleshed out for a few more days to get the kind of backing it needed along with the right verbiage and the right protections for the taxpayer.

    I hate the plan and am glad it failed, but I am even more ticked that it all could have been avoided if the dems would have done their jobs properly and not wasted allot of people's money.
  5. Wheat

    Wheat Philosopher

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    You've got a unique point of view.

    Most American's don't blame the Dems for this.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14124.html

    Personally, I'm part of the 17 percent who think they're all idiots.

    Try reading "Declaring Independence" by Doug Schoen. It exposes both parties as diseases which are slowly killing this country. I figure the Dems are Cancer, and the GOP are AIDs to the United States.
  6. Cajuncowboy

    Cajuncowboy Preacher From The Black Lagoon

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    #1 Good to see ya back. Been a while.

    #2 Of course most American's think it's the republican's fault. Most American's watch the news. They believe what the machine tells them to believe.
  7. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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    Good thing we're headed towards Socialized Medicine!
    :laugh2:
  8. Wheat

    Wheat Philosopher

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    I simply don't agree. Both parties have been struggling lately. I think obviously the GOP is hurting because Bush found a way to make Jimmy Carter look not as bad. The Dems can't get out of their own way.

    But, I think especially during this crisis, the Media has been pounding both sides pretty hard. Its just that you can't parade your VP choice out unprepared...and then have the GOP stand up and say they didn't vote for something because a speech hurt their feelings. Its whining.

    The Dems have zero to offer. If they just shut up and let the GOP talk all they want. They'd win most elections by double digits.

    There is no media conspiracy. Its called the 24 hour news cycle that was picking up steam during the end of the Clinton Admin. The next guy (GOP or Dem) will get the same treatment....or even harder.
  9. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    We have a real lack of leadership in Washington right now and I fear it's not going to get any better with the two guys we have running for President right now.

    Bush has been a failure... he's had some bright moments, but by and large a big disappointment.

    The Republicans in Congress have been rudderless since Gingrich left. There are some potentially good leaders there but they control a small bloc of votes for the most part.

    Pelosi and Reid are hopeless.
  10. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    It is a headshaker.

    :D
  11. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Your buddies Concord put so much pork in that bill that it oinks.
  12. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    The difference here is I NEVER said the Democracts weren't at fault.

    And you don't see me here posting threads ONLY blaming the Republicans.
  13. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    well its hard to take you seriously when you don't blame the Repubs for everything- since it hardly ever happens.

    Most of the blame for this is AT the democrats door. It was Democrats who back in 2004 called anyone questioning Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac racists. Itt was the democrats who blocked in the senate any action.
    If we had taken steps four years ago then none of this would have happened.
  14. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I was watching this morning when they showed the hearing in 2004 with Maxine Waters and other democrats jumping administration for looking into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac talking about how great these 2 companies were and how the administration was trying to over regulate them. Now they have the nerve to try and push this on Bush? Shame on them if people got their heads out of their backside and look at the facts this is not all on Bush and for the Dems to continue casting this all on Bush is BS and the rest of the media need to do their damn job and start calling it out instead of giving these liberal pin heads a free platform to spew the same old garbage
  15. JBond

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    That just shows how good the Democrat's spin machine is. This is a failure by Pelosi and her media buddies can spin it anyway they want. The truth is that the Democrats control both houses of congress and they could have passed this thing in 2 minutes. They are a bunch of liars addicted to power.
  16. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    The dems should not be trying to blame the republicans, the republicans should not be trying to blame the dems...because in doing so they are just showing their own hypocrisy.

    Be nice to see both sides come up and say...you know what both parties have a hand in this mess.

    You got Buddy Hackett, I mean Barny Frank up there blabbing with blood on his hands and you got the head campaign guy of John McCain who was getting over $1k a month from the same company these guys are trying to distance themselves from.

    Personally I am tired of the two sides trying to point fingers and cover their own arses. Let's quit playing woe is me it is their fault and work together to get this thing shored up.

    Personally I am glad this thing has not gone through yet because we will probably be worse off in the long run if they rammed some of this stuff through without taking more time to go over the details.
  17. Wheat

    Wheat Philosopher

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    So, if you were in the GOP. You'd have no problem going back to your district and saying you didn't vote for something because of a speech? Really?
  18. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    Yeah that was so laughable to try and say you were intimidated by a nervous chihuahua like Nancy that they could not even buy it and later came out and said that really was not the case. Because if they stuck to it they would have to admit they are every bit as spineless as the dems.
  19. Wheat

    Wheat Philosopher

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    Its insane. The worst thing possible is for either party to start blaming the other right now. It will only backfire.

    Nobody looks like they are in control, or know what to do.
  20. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    And I have heard many Republicans say there is enough blame to go around and then to watch the house speaker before a vote start with the poltical blame game and then Franks making the smart ars remark afterwards? Republicans have stood up to the President on this deal as they should

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