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Cooper/Warmack

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Rack Bauer, Feb 21, 2013.

  1. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I'm starting to worry that he won't be available at #18.
  2. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Fluker will be a better G than both of those guys, and could also play tackle. 36 3/4 arms is ridiculous. Those are longer arms than Tyron Smith and Ryan Clady
  3. Macnalty

    Macnalty Active Member

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    Not sure about better, I do believe Fluker will be drafted in the first rd for RT.
  4. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Not in a Zone Blocking Scheme. It does not matter how much power an OL has if he can't get to the block. Regardless of scheme, Guards have to make blocks in space.
  5. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    If Dallas picks Cooper, I hope it is for the center position. That way if he can't maintain his current weight, it won't hurt him as much. I see him much like Tyron. Tyron has been able to play around 307 lbs, but he had trouble with the bull-rush this year. I don't put alotta stock in combine weight anyway.
  6. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    You mean guys like Mo Collins, Frank Middleton and Langston Walker playing under Callahan with the Raiders? Yeah a bunch of svelte ballerinas, those guys.
  7. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    If Fluker can beat Langston Walker's 5.26 forty, I'll retract my statement.
  8. JerryFan

    JerryFan Active Member

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    I'll take that bet. How about a 25 dollar donation to CowboysZone?
  9. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    We signed two starting guards last offseason. Just because you sign a guy that starts doesn't mean you've solved the problem. We can't just keep doing the same things over and over, it's time to actually try to solve the position so we can focus on other things.

    Aren't you guys tired of having the same position needs every offseason?
  10. Rack Bauer

    Rack Bauer Federal Agent

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    40 times are irrelevant for OL. When will you ever see a tackle or guard run straight ahead for 40 yards coming out of a sprinters stance, running unimpeded?



  11. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but that response is tiresome.

    The forty is like identifying a car by it's color. It is a general indicator. If you want more detail you look at other measureables like the 10-yard, 3-cone, short shuttle, vert, broad-jump, etc.. With a car you would look at the model, year etc. Just because the color of the car does not give as much detail as the model/year etc.., it does not make it an unusable indicator.

    The forty time is a general indicator of the quickness needed to play. In OLinemen, the exact number is not as important as it is with other positions. A 5.1 vs 5.2 is not a big deal; however, a 4.9 vs 5.5 is significant. Olinemen that play with quickness don't run 5.5 forties and Olinemen that play with lead feet don't run 4.9 forties.

    I could say that I doubt that Fluker can beat any of Walker's measureables. It could be 10-yard, 3-cone, short shuttle, vert, broad-jump, etc..
  12. Rack Bauer

    Rack Bauer Federal Agent

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    And completely true.

    I take it you've never actually played football?
  13. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    the 10 yard time for a OL is much more important then the 40
  14. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    i know you dont think either of those 2 were really starters

    i mean, sign a real OG who will start
  15. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Another tiresome response.

    Actually, I had a scholarship offer from a small college to play football, but took an academic scholarship from a big school instead.
  16. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I tend to agree with Rack here. For an OL, 10 and 5 yard times are much more indicative. 3Cone, Shuttle, Broad and High show explosion.

    40 for an OL is much less important to me then 5, 10 or 20.
  17. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    Coopers arms are only 33. Costa part deux
  18. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    No, 33" is good for an OG or OC. Costa was 30".

    Here are some arm lengths from the 2012 draft:
    OG 32-1/2 Ben Jones
    OG 32-1/2 Josh LeRibeus
    OG 32-5/8 Brandon Brooks
    OG 32-3/4 David DeCastro
    OG 32-3/4 Kevin Zeitler
    OC 33 Peter Konz
    OG 33 Amini Silatolu
    OG 33-1/2 Jeff Allen

    OT 33-1/2 Mitchell Schwartz
    OT 33-1/4 Riley Reiff
    OT 34 Mike Adams
    OT 34-1/2 Matt Kalil
    OT 34-1/8 Jonathan Martin
  19. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    So much for the Cooper strength questions.
  20. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    Im confused as to how people think two guards are going in the top 17... Even though the most bestestist guard prospect ever went 24th last year.

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