Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Rack Bauer, Feb 21, 2013.

  1. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    and so the real expert speaks

    (sarcasm just in case you missed it)
  2. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Let me know the next time a guard runs 40 yards down the field. Until then its an incredibly meaningless number. The fact that you are putting so much stock into numbers such as the 40 and broad jump for an offensive lineman proves your ignorance when it comes to evaluating a football player.

    I still don't understand why people think the o-lineman in a ZBS have to sprint 10 yards to make a block or something. When in reality they are making maybe 2 or 3 shuffles max to get to the block. As long as the guard isn't a giant statue type who struggle to move much at all they will be fine. Its much more about being able to move in short(5-10 feet) quick bursts than anything.
  3. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Yes, measureables can be overvalued; however, they are far from irrelevant. A player that runs a fast 40 yard time was probably fast in the first 10 feet.
  4. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    I'm pretty sure his point is about having a guard with enough athletic ability to get to the second level. Someone with enough athletic ability to handle the quicker interior pass rushers ... Not someone who is slow out of their stance and prone to getting beat by speed. That is easy to find.

    You don't need to spend a high pick on someone like that. Those are easy to find every year.
  5. Rack Bauer

    Rack Bauer Federal Agent

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    40 times are useless. If you want to know what a player ran in the first 10 feet... check what his time was for 10 feet. GOing to the 40 time first, then to their 10 time is a waste of... time.
  6. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    They don't measure 10 feet times.
  7. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Second level? Hell, I would be thrilled to have a guard that can just get a push on the first level.
  8. tm1119

    tm1119 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah cause we've just nailed it on these mid round o lineman that are apparently so easy to find. Why ever use a high pick on a guard or center when you can have crappy castoff veterans and mid/late round picks who can't even make it in the NFL? Our offensive line is awful because our management has this same theory....its not a premium position so lets just throw any big bodies there, they can get the job done. Guess what? That doesn't work. We've proven that....over and over again. Lets try something new please. I really don't care if its Cooper or Warmack, I just want some actual legit talent.
    Unfortunately, I still don't see Jerry doing it which is the real problem in its self.
  9. CowboysYanksLakers

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    At this point I'd prefer Cooper...
  10. Deep_Freeze

    Deep_Freeze Well-Known Member

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    Well, I'm one that usually agrees with the fact that really interior linemen don't present alot of value early in the draft, but now with all the numbers in I'm starting to think this will be that year where they will go higher cause of the absence of premium position talent in this particular draft.

    Everything depends on how the Cowboys actually grade these guys, but I really think this might be the year that works out where the guards present value earlier in the draft. Will both go before we pick, probably not, but in this particular draft I would be willing to bet one will be gone.

    Again, this comes from looking at this particular draft and not draft history, as every draft should be evaluated separately as last year there was alot more talent up top to move non premium positions down....this year, not at all.

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